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Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« on: October 25, 2017, 11:10:11 pm »
Mazda has announced that it will start using the 2.5 liter turbo in new and updated models.  My bet is that it will find its was into the 6 (or its replacement) and new CX-8 in addition to the CX-9.

It would be great to see the 6 get decent power.

http://www.mazda.com/globalassets/en/assets/investors/library/result/files/qa20170802_e.pdf

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 11:12:32 pm »
This news apparently came out in August, but I hadn't seen it until today. 

Would love to see this engine in the smaller models. It powers the CX-9 well by all accounts, so it would be great in something the size of the 6 or the CX-5.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 05:17:12 am »
The 6 has been in need of decent power for this entire generation. It's not lacking much else.
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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 06:52:41 am »
Yeah. And I feel like a 2.5T Cx-5 would be able to compete a class above against the RDX. 
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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 07:03:02 am »
I was impressed with the power when I drove a CX9....this would make for a very compelling CX5-GT or "Turbo Sport" model.
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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2017, 07:48:34 am »
It would be nice if they put that in the upcoming Mazda 3 as the optional engine, attracting a new group of buyers that turned down the existing car because of engine. By the way, this is the concept car which is supposed to be the new Mazda 3 unvieled at the Tokyo Auto Show this week;

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/10/25/mazda-kai-concept-more-muscular-refined-mazda3-tokyo-motor-show/

Now for the beautiful Mazda 6, as in past years Mazda is determined not to sell too many of them   ??? ::) so putting this in a 6 at this late stage is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted, so to speak.  :-X 

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2017, 08:31:37 am »
Now for the beautiful Mazda 6, as in past years Mazda is determined not to sell too many of them

What do you mean by this?

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2017, 08:38:28 am »
Now for the beautiful Mazda 6, as in past years Mazda is determined not to sell too many of them

What do you mean by this?

Very simple, by not making an optional more powerful engine available in their mid size car, like all their competitors do, they lost sales. As this has been obvious to them for years, and they did nothing about it, they seem determined not to sell too many of them.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2017, 08:49:19 am »
Now for the beautiful Mazda 6, as in past years Mazda is determined not to sell too many of them

What do you mean by this?

Very simple, by not making an optional more powerful engine available in their mid size car, like all their competitors do, they lost sales. As this has been obvious to them for years, and they did nothing about it, they seem determined not to sell too many of them.

And yet, in the U.S., the current 6 has outsold the previous 6 (which did offer a V6 option) every year.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2017, 09:09:03 am »
Any info / pictures on the upcoming CX-8?

Why 8 and not 7?

They should turbo the 2.0l too for smaller cars  like Mazda3. I don't think the 3 would need the 2.5 turbo to be competitive at the top.
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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2017, 09:13:14 am »
Now for the beautiful Mazda 6, as in past years Mazda is determined not to sell too many of them

What do you mean by this?

Very simple, by not making an optional more powerful engine available in their mid size car, like all their competitors do, they lost sales. As this has been obvious to them for years, and they did nothing about it, they seem determined not to sell too many of them.

And yet, in the U.S., the current 6 has outsold the previous 6 (which did offer a V6 option) every year.

Well then its conclusive. By extension, all the other manufacturers erred and should have eliminated choice in engines, and this would have caused an increase in their sales. What did I know!  ::)

My recollection of the 2013 and prior Mazda 6 reviews were the opposite of the drooling many reviewers did when the current model came out. The story of the Mazda 6 over the years is a shame, as these numbers show from 8 years ago back (US annual sales). They went bloated and plain jane after having one of the smaller sized family cars before, and paid dearly; 

2016    45,520
2015    57,898
2014    53,224
2013    43,638
2012    33,756
2011    35,711
2010    35,662
2009    34,866
2008    52,590
2007    57,575
2006    66,203
2005    71,447
2004    72,148
2003    66,118

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2017, 09:19:08 am »
Well then its conclusive. By extension, all the other manufacturers erred and should have eliminated choice in engines, and this would have caused an increase in their sales. What did I know!  ::)

Hardly the point I was making.  ::)

Take rates for upgraded engines in midsize sedans are generally in the 10-15% range. There's no question that Mazda has lost some sales by not offering something with over 200 hp but the effect on sales is not as dramatic as people make it out to be.

In the case of the Mazda 6, the improvements they made to the third-gen 6 were good enough to offset any sales lost by the lack of a more powerful engine (at least in the U.S.; Canada is another story). Mazda is a small company with limited resources and based on the sales numbers not prioritizing another engine option seems to have worked out for them.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 10:46:58 am »
It would be nice if they put that in the upcoming Mazda 3 as the optional engine,
Won't happen.  2019 is forecasted to see the SpCCI engine in the Mazda 3, which is expected, with the 2.0L I4, to reach 180ish hp.

Mazda does not have a 2.0T at the moment.  The last turbo engine it had was the 2.3T, which was, by all accounts, not great.  Rather than scaling the 2.5T to be a 2.0T, it's more likely that it'll keep the 2.5T where it is to be applied (in a higher torque:horsepower tune).

Where the base Mazda3 (GX, GS) will likely come with the current SkyActiv-G 2.0L (155hp) as standard, the 2.5L naturally-aspirated I4 will likely be dropped in the Mazda 3 in favour of the SpCCI 2.0L as the "top dog".  Power ratings will be nearly equivalent to the 2.5L, but fuel economy should be improved by a relative ton (probably 2.5-3L/100km on the highway).

The Mazda 6 will likely do something similar, in keeping the current 2.5L I4 as the base, with the SpCCI as a higher option.  I doubt the 2.5T will be on offer in it, but it is possible.

The CX-5, perhaps.  It'd quickly jump to the most powerful in its class with the 2.5T, with the base engine being either the current 2.5L NA, or the SpCCI standard (to demolish the competitors on fuel economy - but then it'd have difficulty competing on price).  The 2.2D is supposedly coming, but it'll be more expensive than the SpCCI.  I doubt Mazda will have 4 engine choices in the CX-5.

The PDF posted by the OP is to boost shareholder contentment with the company.  And if you read it, it says:

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New CX-5 was launched in March and sales are strong, meeting our sales targets. We also plan to
introduce other updated models including adoption of 2.5-liter direct injection turbo gasoline engine in a wider range of models. While closely monitoring market trends, we take measures on a timely basis to minimize
sales risk for passenger car segment
, and for well-selling crossover models, we aim to further improve momentum based on their product strength.
A plain reading of that to me suggests that the CX-5 will not get the 2.5T.  The line following the one of the 2.5T suggests that it may find its way into the 6, but with measures made to minimize sales risk of passenger cars.

My guess is that the 2.5T will only make it into the CX-9 (already there), CX-8 (basically the same car, but nomenclature mirroring BMW's X6/X4.  It's no secret that Mazda has been trying to target BMW for a long time now, including the interior design.  Beyond that, the CX-5 seems unlikely, but a new Mazda speed3 is a potential candidate, as well as the revival of the speed6 (doubtful, but possible).

Keeping in mind that this release was to appease shareholders, the language is likely somewhat inflated.  "Wider range" may mean literally just one or two other models.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 10:42:38 am »
Nice! It's impressive how often Mazda has updated the current 6 during its lifecycle. Hopefully the turbo will be available with a stick.

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 10:44:43 am »
Please Mazda, do a new AWD MS3 hatchback with that thing. 

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 10:48:09 am »
Nice! It's impressive how often Mazda has updated the current 6 during its lifecycle. Hopefully the turbo will be available with a stick.

That'd be great, but seriously doubt it. 



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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2017, 10:50:00 am »
Nice!

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 11:03:25 am »
That's a lot of power for a FWD!

I wonder if it'll make a noticable improvement in sales. 

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Re: Mazda to put 2.5-liter turbo engine in other models
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2017, 11:12:44 am »
Nice. I still have yet to try this powertrain.