Topic: Purchasing 2016 Mazda 3 - Questions About Additional Charges

[Ares640]

Looking into buying a 2016 Mazda 3 GS Manual (Canada). The local dealership gave me a breakdown of the charges but a few of them look kind of suspicious. Can anyone verify these charges are legit? The car is completely stock, no added accessories or extended warranty.

MSRP -------------------------- $19,850
Freight ------------------------- $1,095
PDI ------------------------------ $600
A/C Tax ------------------------- $100
Tire Levy ------------------------ $15
Road Hazard ------------------- $399
Tint ------------------------------- $349
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725

I noticed there isn't anything listed for license/registration fee, so I expect there to be another $100-200 added to this. Freight, PDI and A/C tax sound right, but what about the others? Why am I paying $1725 for the STANDARD warranty? It isn't an extended/additional warranty, it is the standard warranty that comes with the car. Shouldn't that be included within the $19,850 MSRP? What about Road hazard? Tint? These are all before taxes too.

[Allen]

Road Hazard ------------------- $399, this is a tire warranty above just wear
Tint ------------------------------- $349 if you want it you can get it done cheaper a a tint place
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100 if you are worried someone well steal your wheels this one is pretty standard although you should be able to negotiate it away.
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795 waste of money if your keeping it for a long time get Krown
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725 this is an extended warranty

these are all just cash grabs by the dealer and not necessary to close a deal,..  the $1725 is an extended warranty and not the standard warranty...

[SKYMTL]

Actually.....there is a 3 year unlimited warranty which is STANDARD on all 2016+ Mazda 3 cars:

https://www.mazda.ca/en/warranty/mazda-unlimited-warranty/

So that $1700+ extends it for two more years? 

The wheel locks are listed for $64 on Mazda's own site.   

[Ares640]

Road Hazard ------------------- $399, this is a tire warranty above just wear
Tint ------------------------------- $349 if you want it you can get it done cheaper a a tint place
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100 if you are worried someone well steal your wheels this one is pretty standard although you should be able to negotiate it away.
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795 waste of money if your keeping it for a long time get Krown
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725 this is an extended warranty

these are all just cash grabs by the dealer and not necessary to close a deal,..  the $1725 is an extended warranty and not the standard warranty...

So I can choose to reject these charges? Regarding the tint, if the dealership tinted the windows prior to selling it, would I be obligated to pay for it even if I do not want it? There are only 2 cars left of the trim/transmission type that I want available at this dealership so I can't pick a different car unless I travel to another dealership.

I live in Newfoundland which has a huge rust problem from winter road salt. Is Krown a cheaper option if I am keeping this car for 5+ years vs paying $795 up front?

[SKYMTL]

Road Hazard ------------------- $399, this is a tire warranty above just wear
Tint ------------------------------- $349 if you want it you can get it done cheaper a a tint place
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100 if you are worried someone well steal your wheels this one is pretty standard although you should be able to negotiate it away.
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795 waste of money if your keeping it for a long time get Krown
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725 this is an extended warranty

these are all just cash grabs by the dealer and not necessary to close a deal,..  the $1725 is an extended warranty and not the standard warranty...

So I can choose to reject these charges? Regarding the tint, if the dealership tinted the windows prior to selling it, would I be obligated to pay for it even if I do not want it? There are only 2 cars left of the trim/transmission type that I want available at this dealership so I can't pick a different car unless I travel to another dealership.

I live in Newfoundland which has a huge rust problem from winter road salt. Is Krown a cheaper option if I am keeping this car for 5+ years vs paying $795 up front?

A) Reject charges:  Everything is negotiable

B) Tint:  Everything is negotiable.  If it was pre-applied, that was the dealer's choice and that makes it even more negotiable. 

C)  "Last ones" argument is typically a dealer tactic.  When I bought my Mazda 3, they had no problem transferring one from another dealership. 

[Sir Osis of Liver]

^ A variation on point C, "We've got a guy coming in this afternoon to look at that one. You may want to move on it." It's BS, always.

[Ares640]

^ A variation on point C, "We've got a guy coming in this afternoon to look at that one. You may want to move on it." It's BS, always.

I have been keeping a close eye on their inventory. The two cars they have atm have been there for the past 4 weeks. I have no problem waiting as I do not expect someone else to buy this car any time soon. I've been debating if it is worth it to wait until closer to the release of the 2017 models to get a better deal on the 2016. Very minor changes in the 2017 models so I am not going to wait to get one of those.

Does the mazda 3 GS come with factory window tint? If it does wouldn't that be included within the MSRP?

[Sir Osis of Liver]

If it was factory tint, it would be listed somewhere on the order sheet, usually as part of a package or trim level. This sounds like a dealer add-on.

[EV Dan]

It sounds like the dealer "feels" you are too eager to buy that 3. Tell them you are also considering an Elantra which is now 4k off:
https://www.hyundaicanada.com/Pages/buildprice/step2_trims.aspx?model=Elantra%20GT
(GT GL Manual is 4k off)

[Ares640]

Just redid the calculations. By removing the road hazard, lifetime rust/undercarriage and the extended warranty I get:

$3,300 cheaper (Approx $21 per bi-weekly payment on 6 year financing)

I left the wheel locks and window tint in for now. Much more reasonable deal.

[Brig]

If it were me:

MSRP -------------------------- $19,850
Freight ------------------------- $1,095
PDI ------------------------------ $600
A/C Tax ------------------------- $100
Tire Levy ------------------------ $15
Road Hazard ------------------- $399 REJECT
Tint ------------------------------- $349 REJECT
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100 REJECT
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795 REJECT
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725 REJECT

But that's just me.   

[HeliDriver]

If it were me:

MSRP -------------------------- $19,850 NEGOTIATE
Freight ------------------------- $1,095
PDI ------------------------------ $600
A/C Tax ------------------------- $100
Tire Levy ------------------------ $15
Road Hazard ------------------- $399 REJECT
Tint ------------------------------- $349 REJECT
Locks (?) ------------------------- $100 REJECT
Lifetime Rust/Undercoat ------ $795 REJECT
5 Year Unlimited Warranty --- $1725 REJECT

But that's just me.   

Modified that slightly.

[Apok]

If you're in St. John's, I actually used to work at that dealer (note that things may have changed, this was ~4 years ago)

- Tint is done outside, the guy who does (or did) the work is however very good. But there is a markup on his price. I know they used to take cars right off the dock and send them down for tint. Shitty I know.

- Same goes for the wheel locks, these have been added when the car was PDI'd. They won't be taken off (I had tried for customers), but I'd demand a discount of $100. Shitty practice I know.

- Road Hazard they were usually sticklers on, I'll bet you end up with it but they may discount the car $399. Most dealers in NL do this I've found. Shitty practice again.

- Don't bother with the rust-proofing. The guys do good work, but it's really an undercoating from what I understood.

- Warranty? Well that's up to you, but it would seem to be for an additional two years. You have to decide whether it's worth the cost.


Feel free to PM me, but my knowledge may be out of date. Once I left I advised a guy I was working with to flip the dealer in Gander an e-mail for a quote and it was cheaper and well worth whatever the DRL bus pass cost.

[Ares640]

If you're in St. John's, I actually used to work at that dealer (note that things may have changed, this was ~4 years ago)

- Tint is done outside, the guy who does (or did) the work is however very good. But there is a markup on his price. I know they used to take cars right off the dock and send them down for tint. Shitty I know.

- Same goes for the wheel locks, these have been added when the car was PDI'd. They won't be taken off (I had tried for customers), but I'd demand a discount of $100. Shitty practice I know.

- Road Hazard they were usually sticklers on, I'll bet you end up with it but they may discount the car $399. Most dealers in NL do this I've found. Shitty practice again.

- Don't bother with the rust-proofing. The guys do good work, but it's really an undercoating from what I understood.

- Warranty? Well that's up to you, but it would seem to be for an additional two years. You have to decide whether it's worth the cost.


Feel free to PM me, but my knowledge may be out of date. Once I left I advised a guy I was working with to flip the dealer in Gander an e-mail for a quote and it was cheaper and well worth whatever the DRL bus pass cost.

That is very helpful, thanks. I emailed my new offer to the sales rep, depending on their response I will consider looking at other dealerships. Not going to go with the extended warranty.

[ArticSteve]

Rough place to reside for purchasing finished goods and the weather is horrible.  But no place like home. 

What degree tint?  35% or 20%      20 being to dark so watch for that.


Road Hazard ... depends on the terms, but probably pretty crappy.
Extended warranty .... NO
Their rust protection .... actually harmful if it's the "guck" (undercoating type stuff).

Because of you local you'll probably have to pay a NEWFY tariff in the form of wheel locks and tint at the least.   

[Ares640]

Update:

The dealer will not remove/negotiate the following:

Road Hazard ($399) -- 2 year tire warranty, mandatory fee instead of charging a "document fee"
Tint ($349)
Wheel Locks ($100)
Lifetime Rust/Undercarriage ($795)

The last 3 items could be removed if I were to order a 2017, but as these items are already on the car presently they will not discount the price of them. They did remove the $1725 for extended warranty so the price is more reasonable.

[Allen]

Then walk away, he's being an Ahole...theres  lots of other cars out there

[EV Dan]

Then walk away, he's being an Ahole...theres  lots of other cars out there

Yep. I wonder what the heck is this dealer going to do with the old stock manual cars 
I'd make an offer (at least $1000 lower after all other nonsense is removed) and would happily walk if they are dumb/spoiled enough not to accept it.

[sszoomzoom]

Then walk away, he's being an Ahole...theres  lots of other cars out there

What he said. Or just order a new one with the options you want and the colour you like. I did that when I got mine and did not mind waiting a few months, if you're not in a rush.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Then walk away, he's being an Ahole...theres  lots of other cars out there

   Walk and wait a few days/week. The odds are good that you'll get a call and another offer.