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Tim Hortons
« on: August 26, 2014, 08:27:25 am »

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2014, 09:03:51 am »
No big deal.. BK is just saving some tax
Dont think the executives will want to relocate from Miami to Oakville :-) Nothing wrong with Oakville its just the weather and the beach in Miami is a little better

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2014, 09:04:56 am »
   We don't use either; preferring McDs coffee. Has anyone tried A&W lately. They use different packaging these days...not the silver foil like bags but paper ones. I think that the old wrappers tended to steam the burger and make it floppy. Anyway a great improvement it seems to me. Toasted buns would be nice if they are not already I think. A&W fries are pretty nice also...a bit like New York ones IMO.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2014, 09:26:30 am »
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No big deal.. BK is just saving some tax

no big deal for us.   but this is going to be a big deal for the US Gov.
it's a total tax evation plan.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2014, 09:32:00 am »
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No big deal.. BK is just saving some tax

no big deal for us.   but this is going to be a big deal for the US Gov.
it's a total tax evation plan.
Tax avoidance vs Tax evasion.  The former is legal.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2014, 09:36:23 am »
^^^
ops, that's what I meant.  avoidance

while they're not the first US company to do this and likely won't be the last, it is raising eyebrows over there.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 09:38:50 am »
Complex set of rules, complex set of workarounds.
You can't just have your characters announce how they feel.
That makes me feel angry!

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2014, 09:51:20 am »
$$$ if you own stock.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 10:41:08 am »
Didn't own the stock.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 10:41:28 am »
I find it odd that Canada is seen as a low tax location by an American company

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 10:50:36 am »
$$$ if you own stock.
In the short haul.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 11:10:25 am »
The absence of effective trade barriers and far too complex tax codes, especially in the US, makes this kind of corporate behaviour possible. Large corporation can effectively shop around for the jurisdiction with the most lax tax laws, set up a two man suite as their official "head office" and dodge what they should rightfully be paying.

I'm not completely onside with corporate taxes in the first place, all tax revenue is derived from individuals no matter the route, but the behaviour is unethical.
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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 11:14:05 am »
The absence of effective trade barriers and far too complex tax codes, especially in the US, makes this kind of corporate behaviour possible. Large corporation can effectively shop around for the jurisdiction with the most lax tax laws, set up a two man suite as their official "head office" and dodge what they should rightfully be paying.

I'm not completely onside with corporate taxes in the first place, all tax revenue is derived from individuals no matter the route, but the behaviour is unethical.
Delaware is REALLY nice to corporations, tax-wise.

...many Canadian companies move 'operations' there for the same reason.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2014, 11:26:53 am »
The absence of effective trade barriers and far too complex tax codes, especially in the US, makes this kind of corporate behaviour possible. Large corporation can effectively shop around for the jurisdiction with the most lax tax laws, set up a two man suite as their official "head office" and dodge what they should rightfully be paying.

I'm not completely onside with corporate taxes in the first place, all tax revenue is derived from individuals no matter the route, but the behaviour is unethical.
Delaware is REALLY nice to corporations, tax-wise.

...many Canadian companies move 'operations' there for the same reason.

Yup. Delaware is pretty much the gold standard for one room head offices in the US.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2014, 11:43:19 am »
I'd rather be car-poor than house-poor...

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2014, 11:48:03 am »
I've been involved in dozens of 'mergers' over the years to advise companies on which brands to keep and which ones go, how to consolidate, integrate, etc. One thing I've learned is that 'merger' is not the most accurate term –  'acquisition' or 'take-over' are more reflective of reality. I see this announcement is being touted as a merger which sounds nice and cooperative. Meanwhile, after the dust settles there is always one board of directors, one global CEO, one IT platform (have to realize the synergies), etc. Inevitably the bulk of these functions and others are primarily made from one of the legacy companies and I strongly doubt it will be from the Tim Hortons side. Sometimes the small fish eats the big one but not very often.

Every merger I've seen has been negotiated and planned among very few people on either side...the CEO, CFO, a handful of other executives, external advisors and of course the Board which is always the decision maker...and works in the interest of shareholders of course. The takeover side usually has more people involved because they feel victorious and will be responsible for the integration. The side being taken over always overestimates their future influence.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2014, 11:50:17 am »
So Tim's was bought originally by Wendy's (didn't improve their coffee any for some reason), 'spun off' a few years later, and is now bought by BK.

What does 'spin off' mean, and who owned it in the meantime?

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 11:55:54 am »
I'm also wondering what's going to happen with all the Timmy's/Coldstone Creamery joint operations

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 11:56:04 am »
I thought Wendy's and Tim were still co-owned are they not?


That will make for some odd buildings that are half and half now.

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Re: Tim Hortons
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 12:00:38 pm »
I wonder if I can get a Whopper with my Timbits?