Topic: Electric Vehicle News Thread

[rrocket]

Hey Kevlar...Looks like Musk agrees with me!   

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/autos/elon-musk-oil-prices-china/index.html

[rrocket]

i repeat, i'm not a electric car slappy, far from it but the bolt has got my attention.  it's like the smartphone or digital photography.  i'd say the next 5 years is going to be very interesting.

Yes.  It will be interesting.  It will all revolve around pricing.

[rrocket]

i repeat, i'm not a electric car slappy, far from it but the bolt has got my attention.  it's like the smartphone or digital photography.  i'd say the next 5 years is going to be very interesting.

Yes.  It will be interesting.  It will all revolve around pricing.

what i've observed is, new technology's adpotion rate follows an exponential path.  i.e. at first traction remains quite slow for a period, but eventually it accelerates over time. the mistake a lot of people make is based on an axiomatic one, the assumption that adoption of new tech is linear.  i've watched this in the film industry.  kodak was destroyed by this.   both google and apple have hired thousands of engineers to build electric cars.  the indicators are all pointing toward a massive change.  even miners of lithium are in discussions with Tesla and other OEMs about supplies.

Well yes.  But the end user doesn't care about any of that.  All they care about is "how much?".  I think the Prius is a good example of this.  With the price point of a Prius, most anyone can afford a hybrid/green tech if they desire.  And once EVs get into that price range, it will nearly be game over for gasoline economy cars. 

The pricing just isn't there yet.  There's a large gap between a $25K car and a $40K car.

[me_2]

The pricing just isn't there yet.  There's a large gap between a $25K car and a $40K car.

Yep, as large as the gap between my present Spark EV and my former Volt 

I Love my little run about for my daily commute, fun factor is always there, cost next to nothing to drive and has no exhaust tail pipe but even with the DC fast charge starting to cover most of our highways, my actual EV range (131 km) is somewhat a limiting factor when there is no DCFC, no EVSE L2 or place / time to recharge. For that reason and also about comfort in general: seat, driving aptitude, ride quality, quietness and especially its long distance, no compromise capability, some days I really miss my Volt ...

The future Bolt, Tesla III and others may break the code, over being the 2nd car's family (but the one used & liked the most) to have the potential to become the sole and only car at home, same as the Volt ... 

[rrocket]

The pricing just isn't there yet.  There's a large gap between a $25K car and a $40K car.

Yep, as large as the gap between my present Spark EV and my former Volt 

I Love my little run about for my daily commute, fun factor is always there, cost next to nothing to drive and has no exhaust tail pipe but even with the DC fast charge starting to cover most of our highways, my actual EV range (131 km) is somewhat a limiting factor when there is no DCFC, no EVSE L2 or place / time to recharge. For that reason and also about comfort in general: seat, driving aptitude, ride quality, quietness and especially its long distance, no compromise capability, some days I really miss my Volt ...

The future Bolt, Tesla III and others may break the code, over being the 2nd car's family (but the one used & liked the most) to have the potential to become the sole and only car at home, same as the Volt ...

You make a great point about infrastructure too.  Just about nothing out this way.

[EV Dan]

Stupid name if you ask me. I'm actually surprised they went beyond that strange show prototype. But who knows, renting a bunch of bobcats to impress investors can't be too expensive 
http://insideevs.com/faraday-future/

[Ex-airbalancer]

What a joke , bring in some real cats 
https://youtu.be/N2-8-aOM_k0

[rrocket]

Musk is a petulant idiot...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x

[Cord]

Musk is a petulant idiot...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x

Great argument for him having total control over the distribution and sales of his cars. 

Pity the poor Tesla customer that gets on his bad side.

[Guy]

Musk is a petulant idiot...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x

You may not like him and you are totally free to do so, but I do not know may "iditots" who succeeded in building a multi Billion $ fortune.. 

Now just to rub it in Tesla as a brand survives Scion..   

[rrocket]

You may not like him and you are totally free to do so, but I do not know may "iditots" who succeeded in building a multi Billion $ fortune.. 

Really?  Then you haven't met many people who are very successful business men/women.  Sadly, a large number of them are idiots, assholes, douches, petty, etc.

Don't confuse business savvy with being an idiot or swerver.  Musk is indeed business savvy.

Musk is also a petulant idiot. 

[rrocket]

This incident sounded like the clash of the prima donnas.  It's a cat fight and the biggest ego won.  No soup for you!!

[EV Dan]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

[Ex-airbalancer]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

If it was a poorly organized, yes you tell the owner

I did that at a BMW dealer event , emailed the owner told him how his staffed behaved

[rrocket]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

Not the same. 

It would be more like this.  "Hey, come check out this soup that's super awesome.  You know, the one I conned you into giving me a large deposit for?  You know..my awesome soup that's 3 years late to hit the table?  So please come to my soup get together.  Oh..and don't forget...you won't actually be able smell the soup or taste it.  You'll just be able to look at it.  But I'll still keep your deposit.  Unless you say something bad about me, that is."

[rrocket]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

If it was a poorly organized, yes you tell the owner

I did that at a BMW dealer event , emailed the owner told him how his staffed behaved

Did he bar you from buying BMWs?

[EV Dan]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

If it was a poorly organized, yes you tell the owner

I did that at a BMW dealer event , emailed the owner told him how his staffed behaved

The guy is a blogger and wrote an open letter to Musk, basically telling him "you suck". A personal email would be more appropriate I think.

[rrocket]

. A personal email would be more appropriate I think.

For someone who's a petty cry baby?  Probably.

[Guy]

Instead of cancelling his order I would have bougth and given him Sailor's Mercedes, far worse punishment..

[rrocket]

Was the event poorly organized? Sounds like it. Do you tell a chef "you should be ashamed of yourself", publicly, and still expect your soup to be served? I think not.

If it was a poorly organized, yes you tell the owner

I did that at a BMW dealer event , emailed the owner told him how his staffed behaved

The guy is a blogger and wrote an open letter to Musk, basically telling him "you suck". A personal email would be more appropriate I think.

So the blogger's tact should have been better, but not Musk's??