i've been watching full EV development very keenly the past 6 months. the bolt has really dropped the gauntlet down now. the ioniq will really need to hit the 200 mile range to remain competitive. the i3, in particular because of it's limited range and high price point, is dead in the water after the announcement of the bolt's range. i'm a little disappointed every OEM has avoided going after the model S size and range. if chevy is able to make the bolt, they certainly are able make a larger car with the model S range. i would love to have bought a model S, but that 100k+ dollar intro price kills that hope quickly. if it was in the 50-60k range i'd go for it. i wonder which company will do it first. i like the audi q6 but i think that will be in the 80k-90k dollar range as well.
Quote from: rrocket on January 20, 2016, 05:42:37 pmQuote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 05:41:12 pmi've been watching full EV development very keenly the past 6 months. the bolt has really dropped the gauntlet down now. the ioniq will really need to hit the 200 mile range to remain competitive. the i3, in particular because of it's limited range and high price point, is dead in the water after the announcement of the bolt's range. i'm a little disappointed every OEM has avoided going after the model S size and range. if chevy is able to make the bolt, they certainly are able make a larger car with the model S range. i would love to have bought a model S, but that 100k+ dollar intro price kills that hope quickly. if it was in the 50-60k range i'd go for it. i wonder which company will do it first. i like the audi q6 but i think that will be in the 80k-90k dollar range as well. It's mostly because they don't sell in large enough number. They sell in numbers that most people here would call a "flop" if it was Toyota or Honda selling them.Well up until the bolt, ranges have sucked. That's why they don't sell. Or the ranges have sucked and the cars are too small. In the case of the i3 add too expensive to that list. The bolt really opens up the question, wtf has every OEM been doing? if Chevy really wants to go after tesla they need to bring a bigger version of the bolt that matches the model s at a much lower price than the tesla.
Quote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 05:41:12 pmi've been watching full EV development very keenly the past 6 months. the bolt has really dropped the gauntlet down now. the ioniq will really need to hit the 200 mile range to remain competitive. the i3, in particular because of it's limited range and high price point, is dead in the water after the announcement of the bolt's range. i'm a little disappointed every OEM has avoided going after the model S size and range. if chevy is able to make the bolt, they certainly are able make a larger car with the model S range. i would love to have bought a model S, but that 100k+ dollar intro price kills that hope quickly. if it was in the 50-60k range i'd go for it. i wonder which company will do it first. i like the audi q6 but i think that will be in the 80k-90k dollar range as well. It's mostly because they don't sell in large enough number. They sell in numbers that most people here would call a "flop" if it was Toyota or Honda selling them.
Quote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 08:04:12 pmQuote from: rrocket on January 20, 2016, 05:42:37 pmQuote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 05:41:12 pmi've been watching full EV development very keenly the past 6 months. the bolt has really dropped the gauntlet down now. the ioniq will really need to hit the 200 mile range to remain competitive. the i3, in particular because of it's limited range and high price point, is dead in the water after the announcement of the bolt's range. i'm a little disappointed every OEM has avoided going after the model S size and range. if chevy is able to make the bolt, they certainly are able make a larger car with the model S range. i would love to have bought a model S, but that 100k+ dollar intro price kills that hope quickly. if it was in the 50-60k range i'd go for it. i wonder which company will do it first. i like the audi q6 but i think that will be in the 80k-90k dollar range as well. It's mostly because they don't sell in large enough number. They sell in numbers that most people here would call a "flop" if it was Toyota or Honda selling them.Well up until the bolt, ranges have sucked. That's why they don't sell. Or the ranges have sucked and the cars are too small. In the case of the i3 add too expensive to that list. The bolt really opens up the question, wtf has every OEM been doing? if Chevy really wants to go after tesla they need to bring a bigger version of the bolt that matches the model s at a much lower price than the tesla.The Bolt is still too expensive IMO. And if you believe GM, the only range you need is 35 miles.
Quote from: rrocket on January 20, 2016, 08:07:12 pmQuote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 08:04:12 pmQuote from: rrocket on January 20, 2016, 05:42:37 pmQuote from: kevlar on January 20, 2016, 05:41:12 pmi've been watching full EV development very keenly the past 6 months. the bolt has really dropped the gauntlet down now. the ioniq will really need to hit the 200 mile range to remain competitive. the i3, in particular because of it's limited range and high price point, is dead in the water after the announcement of the bolt's range. i'm a little disappointed every OEM has avoided going after the model S size and range. if chevy is able to make the bolt, they certainly are able make a larger car with the model S range. i would love to have bought a model S, but that 100k+ dollar intro price kills that hope quickly. if it was in the 50-60k range i'd go for it. i wonder which company will do it first. i like the audi q6 but i think that will be in the 80k-90k dollar range as well. It's mostly because they don't sell in large enough number. They sell in numbers that most people here would call a "flop" if it was Toyota or Honda selling them.Well up until the bolt, ranges have sucked. That's why they don't sell. Or the ranges have sucked and the cars are too small. In the case of the i3 add too expensive to that list. The bolt really opens up the question, wtf has every OEM been doing? if Chevy really wants to go after tesla they need to bring a bigger version of the bolt that matches the model s at a much lower price than the tesla.The Bolt is still too expensive IMO. And if you believe GM, the only range you need is 35 miles. The battery pack is costing GM around $9,000 and that is on the cell level, while lots of other electric and electronic components are low volume and model specific. It's nearly a miracle they should turn profit on the Bolt (or will they?) at under 40k MSRP, before rebates.
We've saved $1000 in fuel (gas cost - electricity cost) over the past 6 months of driving our Tesla compared to the SUV we traded in. At $2000 savings per year (assuming gas and electricity stay same relative cost), we're pretty happy with our purchase.
When I had the Leaf it was not to save money on gas. It was because I genuinely enjoyed driving it, specially in the city. Now I have a company car so I get to drive what they give me. When that's over, I'm back to driving an EV; no question in my mind.
Don't be so dramatic.
We are still free to spend our money how and where we see fit. To each his own! It's Friday! Enjoy!
