Topic: Re: Etching and Nitrogen Fees

[tooscoops]

that is pretty brutal... 1198 is no small amount.

from a business perspective, i don't have an issue with things being mandatory to certain dealers... adding it on after a price has been negotiated is just plain wrong though.

all these industry councils for the automotive sector are just dumb though... they do so little, but try to give the impression that they have somehow made the industry so much safer for consumers... all they do is give a false sense of security and then sit on their thumbs 90% of the time when there is a complaint. i like the idea behind them, but they don't do enough.

[PJ]

yeah... the "air tax" isn't really a tax. its a fee applied from the gov't, so they call it a tax. and HST is applied to the total selling price of the vehicle... which includes all fees (and "taxes").

but it's the way it always has been. the hst, gst, pst, whateverst, is calculated on the final selling price, which includes all fees, whether they are dealer, manufacturer or gov't. only license plates are outside of the taxable number.

oh, as a side note.. just got our flyer that dodge was nice enough to send out on behalf of us... for ram trucks at 26295....

the actual fine print says dealers can charge up to 1098 admin AND 1298 for "safety products" over that... that only some customers will get a 1500 rebate included in the price... and not mentioned is that there are like 20 of these in canada and that no one will trade them.

Anyone know why the government still collects the AC tax?  I seem to remember it was originally brought in the cover the cost of recovering freon.  Since that's not an issue anymore shouldn't this tax be removed?

[blotter]

yeah... the "air tax" isn't really a tax. its a fee applied from the gov't, so they call it a tax. and HST is applied to the total selling price of the vehicle... which includes all fees (and "taxes").

but it's the way it always has been. the hst, gst, pst, whateverst, is calculated on the final selling price, which includes all fees, whether they are dealer, manufacturer or gov't. only license plates are outside of the taxable number.

oh, as a side note.. just got our flyer that dodge was nice enough to send out on behalf of us... for ram trucks at 26295....

the actual fine print says dealers can charge up to 1098 admin AND 1298 for "safety products" over that... that only some customers will get a 1500 rebate included in the price... and not mentioned is that there are like 20 of these in canada and that no one will trade them.

Anyone know why the government still collects the AC tax?  I seem to remember it was originally brought in the cover the cost of recovering freon.  Since that's not an issue anymore shouldn't this tax be removed?

Removed!!!!
 


Governments remove taxes?

[PJ]

yeah... the "air tax" isn't really a tax. its a fee applied from the gov't, so they call it a tax. and HST is applied to the total selling price of the vehicle... which includes all fees (and "taxes").

but it's the way it always has been. the hst, gst, pst, whateverst, is calculated on the final selling price, which includes all fees, whether they are dealer, manufacturer or gov't. only license plates are outside of the taxable number.

oh, as a side note.. just got our flyer that dodge was nice enough to send out on behalf of us... for ram trucks at 26295....

the actual fine print says dealers can charge up to 1098 admin AND 1298 for "safety products" over that... that only some customers will get a 1500 rebate included in the price... and not mentioned is that there are like 20 of these in canada and that no one will trade them.

Anyone know why the government still collects the AC tax?  I seem to remember it was originally brought in the cover the cost of recovering freon.  Since that's not an issue anymore shouldn't this tax be removed?

Removed!!!!
 


Governments remove taxes?

Yes they do actually. 

[blotter]

yeah... the "air tax" isn't really a tax. its a fee applied from the gov't, so they call it a tax. and HST is applied to the total selling price of the vehicle... which includes all fees (and "taxes").

but it's the way it always has been. the hst, gst, pst, whateverst, is calculated on the final selling price, which includes all fees, whether they are dealer, manufacturer or gov't. only license plates are outside of the taxable number.

oh, as a side note.. just got our flyer that dodge was nice enough to send out on behalf of us... for ram trucks at 26295....

the actual fine print says dealers can charge up to 1098 admin AND 1298 for "safety products" over that... that only some customers will get a 1500 rebate included in the price... and not mentioned is that there are like 20 of these in canada and that no one will trade them.

Anyone know why the government still collects the AC tax?  I seem to remember it was originally brought in the cover the cost of recovering freon.  Since that's not an issue anymore shouldn't this tax be removed?

Removed!!!!
 


Governments remove taxes?

Yes they do actually.

i know... sometimes, but I was trying to be funny!
 

[tooscoops]

i would think it will be gone eventually... but knowing how slow the gov't works, i would think it will still be in place until the last vehicle with any kind of refrigerant that is not environmentally neutral is off the road...

i believe this year is the first of this new stuff that is much "greener"... our new trucks rolling in have the new stuff and they still show an a/c tax...

i'm actually interested now... i'm going to see if i can figure out if the air tax is going away or what.

[blotter]

my guess is it wouldn't go until someone makes a big deal about it.

most likely someone has to say; "hey, what's with the air tax, should we still have it?"
Government department requires a report.
someone reviews the report.
someone sends a recommendation to remove the tax
finally after reports, reviews, debates, (red tape and more red tape) something gets signed to remove it!

[Triple Bob]

that is pretty brutal... 1198 is no small amount.

from a business perspective, i don't have an issue with things being mandatory to certain dealers... adding it on after a price has been negotiated is just plain wrong though.

I disagree.  I think charging anyone ANYTHING for nitrogen is fundamentally wrong.  As the people that will end up paying extra are the poor, gullible, and probably pensioners.

It should be illegal IMHO.

[johngenx]

Gotta agree with Bob on this one.   It's a shady practice. Should be illegal.


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[PJ]

Gotta agree with Bob on this one.   It's a shady practice. Should be illegal.


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I agree too.  The outside of your tire is exposed to much tougher conditions  then the inside.  Filling your tire with nitrogen will give you no noticeable benefit in anything.  It's a scam. 

[KD]

+ 4 on that!  Talk about snake oil! 

[sailor723]

^

I agree. Nitrogen is the type of add on product that has helped the car sales industry earn their shady reputation.

[johngenx]

I'd like to watch this process.  I would expect that the tire cavity is taken to a complete vacuum to remove the "only" 78% nitrogen standard atmosphere and replace it with 100% nitrogen molecules.

[PJ]

I'd like to watch this process.  I would expect that the tire cavity is taken to a complete vacuum to remove the "only" 78% nitrogen standard atmosphere and replace it with 100% nitrogen molecules.

I hear they only purge the tires.  Fill it up with nitrogen and empty it a few times.  Get it close to 100%.

[Triple Bob]

I'd like to watch this process.  I would expect that the tire cavity is taken to a complete vacuum to remove the "only" 78% nitrogen standard atmosphere and replace it with 100% nitrogen molecules.

This.  I asked the guy this when he tried to up sell my wife when she got the Mazda 3.  He didn't believe me that there was that much nitrogen in the air, and then went on to say it was a different kind of nitrogen.

We just walked out, I won't deal with liars.  That's right Select Mazda in Stoney Creek!  You lost a sale because you employ liars.

We bought elsewhere.

[aquadorhj]

Costco filled my all all season tires for the rabbit with nitrogen. I git green valve stem caps and everything.

Supposedto help with not losing air and stuff due to more stable and bigger molecules.

Stored in door for 5 months and it lost same amount of air as my normally filled tires.   

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[mmret]

...Kirkland Signature Nitrogen...

[johngenx]

Coscto charges exactly $0.00 for that service.

[rrocket]

Coscto charges exactly $0.00 for that service.

If you buy tires there....

[quadzilla]

This.  I asked the guy this when he tried to up sell my wife when she got the Mazda 3.

Is this old or did I miss the show/shine? Either way, congrats and which model is it.