Topic: My dad just bought a 2018 Camry LE with Upgrade Package!

[Railton]

COLOR CHOSEN!!

He picked the Graphite Metallic as pictured earlier.

He picks it up on Monday!

Boss!
Railton

[tpl]

Saw that thing about Liqui-Moly in the article. My local Indy Audi guy is a great believer in that.

I was brought up on Duckhams 20w-50.  The only oil to survive a Mini gearbox for any length of time!    Poured like molasses on a cold day.  probably cost 10 of the Mini's 34 BHP just from friction!

[rrocket]

These new  camrys apparently use 0w-16 motor oil.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/07/20/the-internal-combustion-engine-will-survive-us-all/#469045723a3d
Only arcticsteve knows for sure.

0W16 has been used in Japan for about 20 years IIRC.  Nothing new....but new to North America.

Strictly used for fuel economy gains.  I remember a technical article I read before that on smaller engines, the economy gains over 4 cylinders was ~2% vs 0W20.

Also, the couple I've seen were green oil.  As in the color green.

[ArticSteve]

Quite the useless article.  Toyota Canada bulk is now 0W20, but Group rating is unknown.  I'm thinking still Group 2.  Customers can spring for their "synthetic" 0W20 which I'm certain will be classified as Group 3.  Nissan Canada also pushes customers hard to fill with their 0W20 Group 3 oil.  The regular bulk is 5W30.  Definitely a Group 2.

M summer wheels gets the real stuff.      Mobil 1 Eurospec 0W40 Group 4.     

[EV Dan]

Quite the useless article.  Toyota Canada bulk is now 0W20, but Group rating is unknown.  I'm thinking still Group 2.  Customers can spring for their "synthetic" 0W20 which I'm certain will be classified as Group 3.  Nissan Canada also pushes customers hard to fill with their 0W20 Group 3 oil.  The regular bulk is 5W30.  Definitely a Group 2.

M summer wheels gets the real stuff.      Mobil 1 Eurospec 0W40 Group 4.   

What does the manual say, 5w-20?
I totally agree with the oil's wide temperature range philosophy of making an engine last. Make it 0 for it not to run "dry" on cold winter startups and 30-40 in summer so that when things get hot (spirited driving or towing) your oil doesn't turn into Molson.
Sure, MFG recommended oil is fine and an engine will last its lease term, but the reason everybody is going so low on the summer number is simply to be able to claim a higher fuel economy, nothing else IMO, at the expense of the engine longevity.

[rrocket]

What does the manual say, 5w-20?

0W16

[EV Dan]

What does the manual say, 5w-20?

0W16

I meant for Steve's pony.

[johngenx]

22" spinners and fart can and maybe some velour interior bits.

[EV Dan]

What's the first mod?

Fart can.  Dual fart can.

[rrocket]

What's the first mod?

Fart can.  Dual fart can.

FWIW, Borla introduced this new tech at SEMA this year:  https://www.borla.com/products/polyphonic-exhaust-technology/

[johngenx]

[rrocket]

What's the first mod?

Fart can.  Dual fart can.

FWIW, Borla introduced this new tech at SEMA this year:  https://www.borla.com/products/polyphonic-exhaust-technology/

I suspect pricey?

$1K USD for Focus RS

$1400 US for Infiniti Q60s...would love to hear it!

[ArticSteve]

What does the manual say, 5w-20?

0W16

I meant for Steve's pony.

Ford indicates their standard bulk Group 2 oil @ 5W20 on any Mustang other than the GT350 and practically on all their other gas vehicles.   Then they offer a "semi synthetic blend" 5W20 for the cost of a Group 4 oil.   

So Toyota is saying that this 0W16 is a Group 3 (severely hydrocracked).  I'll find out the exact price per US quart which I bet it comes in.  I'm thinking $12 per quart.  So $99. for an oil change on a 4 banger Camry?   When did Toyota buy VW?   

Apparently Toyota in Japan is running 0W8 some vehicles    and 2017 Honda Hybrid requires 0W10.  Frequently 100F plus in Texas during summer.  Getting ridiculous.

[BWII]

All this talk of oil...I want to ask, because I don't know...grp 2, 3 4...what does it all mean? Should I run 0-30 in my car instead of 0-20 like they recommend?  I remember using 10-40 back in the day.  I should probably just lease.  Wonder what they'd give me on a trade for a new Camry...or maybe an Accord with a manual...

[rrocket]

What does the manual say, 5w-20?

0W16

I meant for Steve's pony.

Ford indicates their standard bulk Group 2 oil @ 5W20 on any Mustang other than the GT350 and practically on all their other gas vehicles.   Then they offer a "semi synthetic blend" 5W20 for the cost of a Group 4 oil.   

So Toyota is saying that this 0W16 is a Group 3 (severely hydrocracked).  I'll find out the exact price per US quart which I bet it comes in.  I'm thinking $12 per quart.  So $99. for an oil change on a 4 banger Camry?   When did Toyota buy VW?   

Apparently Toyota in Japan is running 0W8 some vehicles    and 2017 Honda Hybrid requires 0W10.  Frequently 100F plus in Texas during summer.  Getting ridiculous.

Let's get some Amsoil in that Stang, Steve!!

And I insisted to my dad that he ask for free oil changes for at least 2 years.  They said "OK".  I'm guessing they did so without a fight because oil change interval is 16,00kms.

Amsoil is coming out with an 0W16...so that will be a better way to go.  There's also some (supposedly) high quality 0W16 from Euroland that's available in the US.  I forget what it's called.."Revenol" or something similar. About $12 when I read about the NA introduction.

[ArticSteve]

From Amazon.com.  One review:

Latest and greatest from the tribologists from Germany. What it lacks in traditional viscosity is made up with some super slippery chemistry designed to maintain the thin oil film between moving parts.
Don't panic when you pour this as it looks like antifreeze-- in color (it's green) and consistency.
Clearly states on the bottle " suitable in all applications where 0w-20 is required". That opens it up use for in my toyota-ford- honda.
I'm sure it helps fuel economy and cold start lubrication, but it is unmeasureable in the real world- unless you are using straight 50 weight... in Alaska.
I can't offer analysis or longevity claims but I intend to get 10k miles per change- just like I've done for years with mobil-1. It just doesn't make economic sense to change it out any sooner.
The trend is going to thinner and thinner lubrication oils to steal every MPG manufactures can.
One complaint: the bottle opens up like your typical gallon jug of olive oil where you pull up on two plastic bails to pop up a built in spout. In this case it takes about 50 pounds of force to extract the spout- almost impossible to do without steadying the bottle on the ground whilst applying the big yank.


https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00WMQ9SI0/ref=acr_offerlistingpage_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Selling for $11 USD.

I'll get the skinny tomorrow on Toyota supplied 0W16

[Bubba]

First mod?  Camry bumper dent. 


Congrats, Father rrocket!

[rrocket]

From Amazon.com.  One review:

Latest and greatest from the tribologists from Germany. What it lacks in traditional viscosity is made up with some super slippery chemistry designed to maintain the thin oil film between moving parts.
Don't panic when you pour this as it looks like antifreeze-- in color (it's green) and consistency.
Clearly states on the bottle " suitable in all applications where 0w-20 is required". That opens it up use for in my toyota-ford- honda.
I'm sure it helps fuel economy and cold start lubrication, but it is unmeasureable in the real world- unless you are using straight 50 weight... in Alaska.
I can't offer analysis or longevity claims but I intend to get 10k miles per change- just like I've done for years with mobil-1. It just doesn't make economic sense to change it out any sooner.
The trend is going to thinner and thinner lubrication oils to steal every MPG manufactures can.
One complaint: the bottle opens up like your typical gallon jug of olive oil where you pull up on two plastic bails to pop up a built in spout. In this case it takes about 50 pounds of force to extract the spout- almost impossible to do without steadying the bottle on the ground whilst applying the big yank.


https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00WMQ9SI0/ref=acr_offerlistingpage_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Selling for $11 USD.

I'll get the skinny tomorrow on Toyota supplied 0W16

Steve...thanks...couldn't remember the exact name.

Thanks for digging, and finding out what it's called.

[tpl]

I noticed that Amazon.com  does not ship the oil to Canada and Amazon.ca does not carry it. 

[rrocket]

I noticed that Amazon.com  does not ship the oil to Canada and Amazon.ca does not carry it.

I'm not worried...0216 will soon be easily found here..just a matter of time.

Also, Amsoil is coming out with this formulation.