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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 01:29:25 pm »
i was using salesman tactics here guys... come on! heh... brit isn't a wrangler style driver. i was trying to make him knock it out of the running already...

i mean, the list of wants/must haves... remote start, dual climate, heated steering, back-up camera... that's 4 of 6 that aren't even AVAILABLE on a stick shift wrangler. plus mentioned in other comments, fuel economy? refinement? headlights? fit and finish? all weak points for a wrangler.

this would be the kind of shopper i get who wants me to explain why they should get a wrangler instead of the santa fe they are cross-shopping... if you need to be convinced to get a wrangler, you don't want a wrangler.

Are you using reverse psychology on me now? :)  Must get Wrangler...

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 01:31:50 pm »
My vote:   Grand Cherokee with the V8 hemi and quadra-trac.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 02:44:03 pm »
This is a VERY odd way to decide which car to buy.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 03:02:17 pm »
yet not an uncommon one. i get people coming on the lot saying exactly this... "hi, I'm here to drive a jeep" yet haven't narrowed it down to even the actual model of Jeep.

"thinking patriot, or maybe the new renegade... and i'd like to drive a rubicon... oh, and a laredo, is that the same thing?"

literal conversation i have had.

they usually turn out to have a 300/month budget, anything longer than 5 years is crazy, and think navigation is standard.
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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 03:10:42 pm »

they usually turn out to have a 300/month budget, anything longer than 5 years is crazy, and think navigation is standard.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 03:49:11 pm »
they usually turn out to have a 300/month budget, anything longer than 5 years is crazy, and think navigation is standard.
Um, it's $250/month, 3 years tops, and what do you mean "think" navigation is standard...It IS.  Period.  Meet my demands or I'm going elsewhere, where I'm certain I'll find a salesperson who is able to give me what I want.


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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 03:51:18 pm »
yet not an uncommon one. i get people coming on the lot saying exactly this... "hi, I'm here to drive a jeep" yet haven't narrowed it down to even the actual model of Jeep.

"thinking patriot, or maybe the new renegade... and i'd like to drive a rubicon... oh, and a laredo, is that the same thing?"

literal conversation i have had.

they usually turn out to have a 300/month budget, anything longer than 5 years is crazy, and think navigation is standard.

I see what you're saying but a  more relevant question when buying used surely?  i.e. an older/high mileage Wrangler/Grand Cherokee vs. a nearly new version of one of the other cars.  If it was the main family car, then I would go for the most spacious option (so probably the Grand Cherokee) but I don't necessarily need a big car but I do want 4 seats and AWD and some luxury features.  Likewise, the powertrain.  I can see the appeal of the more powerful V6 and V8 engines but then I currently drive a 120 horsepower MINI, so I'm sure the four cylinder would be adequate and cheaper to run.  I'm attracted to a Jeep because I like the style and heritage but from my experience have also found the AWD/4WD systems (I appreciate that they vary from vehicle to vehicle) to be a cut above the competition.  Yes, the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee are substantially different but is there really that much difference between the other three, other than styling and size?

I could say the same about Porsche.  I would like to own one of their sports cars (Boxster/Cayman/911) and in that case might weigh up a newer Boxster/Cayman vs. an older 911 but yes, it would be odd if I was cross-shopping them with a Macan or Panamera or whatever but then the Jeeps are more similar kinds of vehicles than those Porsches.

Finally, there are budgetary constraints.  If money was no object.  It would be a Grand Cherokee Limited/Overland with the 8-speed and a Hemi but for my budget, I'm not sure if that is realistic and if it was viable that vehicle would probably be quite leggy and possibly in worse condition, so one of the smaller vehicles might be a better buy.

I would personally find it a bit strange to cross-shop all the cars in one class.  I might test out a Civic but maybe I don't like the Focus (certainly not for the Powers*** transmission), I do however quite like the Fusion and the Fiesta ST, so if I could pick up one of those for the same money as a Civic/Focus then why not?  For me, it's about getting the best vehicle for my money/payment and that doesn't necessarily mean cross-shopping across the same class.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 03:54:50 pm »
I know you want a ‘Jeep’ and you have had good experiences with FCA, but I’d keep my options open...at $30k you can definitely land an amazing deal on a Honda CRV (new model) or other CUVs out there that are superior to what Jeep offers.


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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 04:10:45 pm »
I know you want a ‘Jeep’ and you have had good experiences with FCA, but I’d keep my options open...at $30k you can definitely land an amazing deal on a Honda CRV (new model) or other CUVs out there that are superior to what Jeep offers.


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I don't really like Honda's CVT transmission but I get your point.  Keep an open mind.  I write a few car reviews for the local newspaper, so get to try some of these vehicles out for myself on an extended test drive and I'm always prepared to be pleasantly surprised by something...but I don't specifically want a compact SUV, I want a Jeep!  No hurry though, the MINI is still running well and I still like it, so I have the luxury to wait for the right vehicle to come along at the right price. :)

I would consider an AWD Audi A4/Mercedes-Benz C-Class/BMW 3-Series in this budget too but I don't have the dealer backup in my area and although it's possible that they might be more reliable, they would no doubt cost more to fix!

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 04:13:06 pm »
I know you want a ‘Jeep’ and you have had good experiences with FCA, but I’d keep my options open...at $30k you can definitely land an amazing deal on a Honda CRV (new model) or other CUVs out there that are superior to what Jeep offers.


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I don't really like Honda's CVT transmission but I get your point.  Keep an open mind.  I write a few car reviews for the local newspaper, so get to try some of these vehicles out for myself on an extended test drive and I'm always prepared to be pleasantly surprised by something...but I don't specifically want a compact SUV, I want a Jeep!  No hurry though, the MINI is still running well and I still like it, so I have the luxury to wait for the right vehicle to come along at the right price. :)

I would consider an AWD Audi A4/Mercedes-Benz C-Class/BMW 3-Series in this budget too but I don't have the dealer backup in my area and although it's possible that they might be more reliable, they would no doubt cost more to fix!
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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2017, 04:27:26 pm »
I know you want a ‘Jeep’ and you have had good experiences with FCA, but I’d keep my options open...at $30k you can definitely land an amazing deal on a Honda CRV (new model) or other CUVs out there that are superior to what Jeep offers.


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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2017, 05:02:43 pm »
I know you want a ‘Jeep’ and you have had good experiences with FCA, but I’d keep my options open...at $30k you can definitely land an amazing deal on a Honda CRV (new model) or other CUVs out there that are superior to what Jeep offers.


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I don't really like Honda's CVT transmission but I get your point.  Keep an open mind.  I write a few car reviews for the local newspaper, so get to try some of these vehicles out for myself on an extended test drive and I'm always prepared to be pleasantly surprised by something...but I don't specifically want a compact SUV, I want a Jeep!  No hurry though, the MINI is still running well and I still like it, so I have the luxury to wait for the right vehicle to come along at the right price. :)

I would consider an AWD Audi A4/Mercedes-Benz C-Class/BMW 3-Series in this budget too but I don't have the dealer backup in my area and although it's possible that they might be more reliable, they would no doubt cost more to fix!
Please get a used X-5 or MB ;D

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2017, 05:41:15 pm »


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/red-deer/1982-jeep-cj/1318679711?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

The wheels are a little ugly but otherwise pretty nice. I think 1982 counts as new-ish since Jeep has been around a while.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 05:46:51 pm »
yeah brit, i get your point. (and my comment regarding those types of customers wasn't directed at you!).

but when you mention something like heritage... part of the heritage is the toledo plant... that made tanks and stuff during the war while it churned out jeeps... still where every wrangler has been made ever since.

the renegade is made in italy... on an alfa platform... that is fwd based... with a german transmission...

really going against the heritage if i do say so myself. your mentioning of porsche is kind of funny... even on a base model... or a luxury model... or a sedan.. or an suv, their purpose is to be a high end sports car. drivelines are all geared towards being similar... more power, rwd based, driver first. porsche is probably the worst brand you could have picked!

under the jeep brand, there are engines for efficiency, for torque, for hp, for racing, for towing... paired with fwd, rwd, awd, 4x4... unibody or body on frame... vehicles meant to sell in the mid teens to vehicles over 100000 grand. they are all over the place.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2017, 09:27:31 am »
have you sat in one?

when people talk about those and how nice they are, it really makes me wonder... those interiors are the epitome of hard plastic and the "rock bottom" that was hit for chrysler interiors. compared with some other ones out there (looking at you mazda and subaru) they are still not that far from some newer interiors, but i never found them a nice place to be.

kick ass power though. beats the newer ones in the quarter.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2017, 09:55:54 am »
I would think buying a used SRT-8 requires balls of steel or at the very least a large reserve fund.  Those vehicles can't have been treated nicely.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2017, 10:04:35 am »
most people paying 65k for a jeep in the late 2000's weren't all about racing... they just wanted the best jeep they could get and it seemed a bargain compared to the comparables. i wouldn't be as frightened. the ones local to me were real estate agents who wanted to impress while still seeming like they "support local" by buying domestic... whatever that means anymore.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2017, 10:31:30 am »
I would think buying a used SRT-8 requires balls of steel or at the very least a large reserve fund.  Those vehicles can't have been treated nicely.

Oh yeah....they were purchased by older people that just wanted something unique from their neighbors X5/RX350/ML in their executive 55 and over complex. I would have no problems buying one, plus its a Chrysler product, cheap as borscht to fix.

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Re: Which (newish) Jeep should I buy for $20-$30k?
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2017, 10:55:28 am »
but to the topic and customer in question... no. wrong fit again. "newish" was mentioned... performance was barely mentioned...

so a roughly 10 year old drag SUV is hardly the best choice. might as well go back to saying a miata or a subaru is the best choice for a newish jeep.