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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2017, 04:57:27 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2017, 05:01:33 pm »
Ever hear of a 3 bagger?

isn't that a Slurrey...errr...Surrey girl  ;D

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2017, 05:03:10 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2017, 05:08:09 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.

Certainly it's for track use.  And downforce isn't just for "traction" to the drive wheels per se.  Despite the car being FWD, it's beneficial to keep the rear planted too in high speed cornering.  At elevated speeds, many cars can create lift...which you don't want.

And it generates 66lbs of downforce...not an insignificant number.  And no trunk lid spoiler would generate that much.

But yes, on the street a standard spoiler would be fine.

Oddly enough, the rear spoiler on my Supra made 66lbs of downforce too...but at a lower speed.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2017, 05:42:48 pm »
Two bagger
You drive the most boring looking car in the market!

Anything would look over the top to you. :)

But he's not wrong.
Of course he is!

Because I like it!

Good. So give me your boring LS and go get yourself that autobot sex toy.  :rofl:

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2017, 05:49:27 pm »
Two bagger
You drive the most boring looking car in the market!

Anything would look over the top to you. :)

But he's not wrong.
Of course he is!

Because I like it!

Good. So give me your boring LS and go get yourself that autobot sex toy.  :rofl:

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2017, 06:28:48 pm »






Yes we had those in Canada I'm talking versions 3 and 4.
3 was a a blob of a thing and 4 had a crazy spoiler like version 4.
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 10:25:29 pm »
We didn't get the ep3 type r (blue one above) in Canada. USA and Canada got a neutered version with only 160hp. (SI in the US and the SI-R in Canada. Certainly not the type r that was available in Japan and Europe.
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2017, 11:24:41 am »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.

How do you feel about the vortex generator nubs on the roof?  Did the Honda engineers put those there for F&F looks too?


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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2017, 11:28:54 am »
^^ required to hold flaps onto the fuselage and provides stability at 530mph, clearly.



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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2017, 12:59:54 pm »
^^ required to hold flaps onto the fuselage and provides stability at 530mph, clearly.



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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2017, 01:04:57 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.

How do you feel about the vortex generator nubs on the roof?  Did the Honda engineers put those there for F&F looks too?


it's all nonsense...nothing more than the marketing department fluffing up the car with extra bits to jack the price up...any of these items likely have a purpose, but that purpose is really only going to be used on a track, and at speeds that are likely in the 8/10s of the capability of the car...also, when tracking a car, it's the sum of all parts that is important, not one or two pieces of body kit...the rear spoiler likely doesn't provide much if any lift below 120 mph, and i'd guess the car doesn't go too much above that speed anyway (maybe 160?)...as well, they better make sure the front end spoiler provides downforce, because the last thing you want is to push the rear end down as that will exaggerate the front end...you need to push both ends down fairly evenly to ensure proper airflow...then there's the suspension, brakes, rims/tires, alignment, cooling etc...so many things that are important.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2017, 02:48:24 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.

How do you feel about the vortex generator nubs on the roof?  Did the Honda engineers put those there for F&F looks too?


it's all nonsense...nothing more than the marketing department fluffing up the car with extra bits to jack the price up...any of these items likely have a purpose, but that purpose is really only going to be used on a track, and at speeds that are likely in the 8/10s of the capability of the car...also, when tracking a car, it's the sum of all parts that is important, not one or two pieces of body kit...the rear spoiler likely doesn't provide much if any lift below 120 mph, and i'd guess the car doesn't go too much above that speed anyway (maybe 160?)...as well, they better make sure the front end spoiler provides downforce, because the last thing you want is to push the rear end down as that will exaggerate the front end...you need to push both ends down fairly evenly to ensure proper airflow...then there's the suspension, brakes, rims/tires, alignment, cooling etc...so many things that are important.

Did you not read the article?  The car is a beast on the track.  All the aero (front and back) provide actual down force, not just anti-lift like so many other aero bits in other cars.  The whole car was tuned as a complete package with the aero, suspension, brakes, etc. etc.  I think they did a great job for the purpose it was designed for.  The only questionable styling bits are the huge non-functional honeycomb grills in the back, but they're in the base car so not really added in the Type R.

Whether or not actual buyers take advantage of this car's prowess at the track is irrelevant.  Honda set out to create a track beast and they succeeded.  How many ZR1 buyers are actually gonna take their car out to the track to exploit their full potential?

Obviously this car is not for you, and that's fine.  But to you, and anyone else who thinks that anyone over 30 shouldn't be buying or driving this car, get over it.  I would not be embarrassed to drive this car at all.  I've seen a couple on the road and to me they look great.  I'm turning 40 in less than a month and if I didn't already have my STI, would be seriously looking at this car.  Could give two shits what other people think.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2017, 02:51:41 pm »
...as well, they better make sure the front end spoiler provides downforce, because the last thing you want is to push the rear end down as that will exaggerate the front end...you need to push both ends down fairly evenly to ensure proper airflow...then there's the suspension, brakes, rims/tires, alignment, cooling etc...so many things that are important.

I doubt Honda looked at or even thought of any of that.  This thing is just a half assed put together show piece.   :P
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2017, 02:53:19 pm »
I think I would get sick of getting asked why am I driving around my 16 year old sons riced out Civic......sorry, this thing is just horrible looking.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2017, 03:17:42 pm »
That wing (while admittedly functional), can't be hidden, but the black cut outs are nicely disguised by the paint.
i doubt that wing is functional at all.

The wing is indeed functional.
the purpose of a wing is to provide downforce to the rear axle to aid in traction as race cars have a ton of power...while this car has a decent amount of power put to the axles, it's FWD and the weight of the engine and front end components likely aid in that already...as well, the limited amount of angle and small surface area of the wing would provide a minimal amount of downforce, and likely only at speeds no one would likely be driving at (on a public road)...my bet is they could have achieved the same amount of performance from a trunk lid integrated spoiler, but then that doesn't fit with the whole "F&F" look.

How do you feel about the vortex generator nubs on the roof?  Did the Honda engineers put those there for F&F looks too?


it's all nonsense...nothing more than the marketing department fluffing up the car with extra bits to jack the price up...any of these items likely have a purpose, but that purpose is really only going to be used on a track, and at speeds that are likely in the 8/10s of the capability of the car...also, when tracking a car, it's the sum of all parts that is important, not one or two pieces of body kit...the rear spoiler likely doesn't provide much if any lift below 120 mph, and i'd guess the car doesn't go too much above that speed anyway (maybe 160?)...as well, they better make sure the front end spoiler provides downforce, because the last thing you want is to push the rear end down as that will exaggerate the front end...you need to push both ends down fairly evenly to ensure proper airflow...then there's the suspension, brakes, rims/tires, alignment, cooling etc...so many things that are important.

Did you not read the article?  The car is a beast on the track.  All the aero (front and back) provide actual down force, not just anti-lift like so many other aero bits in other cars.  The whole car was tuned as a complete package with the aero, suspension, brakes, etc. etc.  I think they did a great job for the purpose it was designed for.  The only questionable styling bits are the huge non-functional honeycomb grills in the back, but they're in the base car so not really added in the Type R.

Whether or not actual buyers take advantage of this car's prowess at the track is irrelevant.  Honda set out to create a track beast and they succeeded.  How many ZR1 buyers are actually gonna take their car out to the track to exploit their full potential?

Obviously this car is not for you, and that's fine.  But to you, and anyone else who thinks that anyone over 30 shouldn't be buying or driving this car, get over it.  I would not be embarrassed to drive this car at all.  I've seen a couple on the road and to me they look great.  I'm turning 40 in less than a month and if I didn't already have my STI, would be seriously looking at this car.  Could give two shits what other people think.

And let’s not forget that this car is sold in Europe as well. There are places there where cruising down the highway at 200 km/h is routine.

And that rear wing is certainly effective at speeds way less than 120 mph. Less than 120 km/h, probably.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2017, 03:29:34 pm »
I think I would get sick of getting asked why am I driving around my 16 year old sons riced out Civic......sorry, this thing is just horrible looking.
exactly...and considering no one (as in, extremely few of them) actually takes their car to the track (lest they crash it and destroy it), you're stuck driving a silly car every day of the year.

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2017, 03:39:25 pm »
I think I would get sick of getting asked why am I driving around my 16 year old sons riced out Civic......sorry, this thing is just horrible looking.
exactly...and considering no one (as in, extremely few of them) actually takes their car to the track (lest they crash it and destroy it), you're stuck driving a silly car every day of the year.

Well then, in that case we should just do away with every performance car ever, then.  I mean really, when are you going to use all the performance of a Camaro 1LE on anything other than a track?  Or an STI.  Or a Golf R, Corvette, Mustang GT, etc. 

If everybody thought the way you're thinking, we'd all be stuck driving regular Honda Civics and V6 CUV's. 

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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2017, 03:43:50 pm »
Pretty sure the entire point of owning a Type R is to bring it to the track. 

So your "no one actually takes their car to the track comment" probably doesn't apply to this car.  Sure everyone won't but I bet a significant number will.

People: I wish Honda brought us the Type R

Honda: It's here!

People: Eeeew, it looks too sporty

I agree that this generation of Civic isn't the best looking car (it's kinda ugly IMO) but don't fault Honda for going all out with the Type R.  It's what it's supposed to be.  If people want something toned down they'll happily sell you the Si.
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Re: The Quick and the Dad: 2017 Honda Civic Type R
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2017, 03:46:32 pm »
I think I would get sick of getting asked why am I driving around my 16 year old sons riced out Civic......sorry, this thing is just horrible looking.
exactly...and considering no one (as in, extremely few of them) actually takes their car to the track (lest they crash it and destroy it), you're stuck driving a silly car every day of the year.

Well then, in that case we should just do away with every performance car ever, then.  I mean really, when are you going to use all the performance of a Camaro 1LE on anything other than a track?  Or an STI.  Or a Golf R, Corvette, Mustang GT, etc. 

If everybody thought the way you're thinking, we'd all be stuck driving regular Honda Civics and V6 CUV's.
not at all...some of the performance stuff can be used (to some degree) on a relatively daily basis...decent HP and TQ can be enjoyed pretty much every day (weather permitting on higher end ones)...for the wing, track suspension, etc, only when using the vehicle in 8 or 9/10s capability (track use, like i mentioned)...driving around town, none of that is going to do anything other than give you a punishing ride and hinder your visibility.