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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2012, 11:51:14 pm »
^^That's one of those idiotic reviews.  They complained that the seats didn't have enough lateral support and he was sliding around as he was running the car through the twisties.

FFS...it's a luxury car.  Test it like a luxury car,

The biggest complaint was that the Avalon ploughed like a John Deere, the steering, then the seats, then the noise, and the interior.

But I was pretty much expecting this response from my two favourite Toyota fanbois.

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2012, 12:06:19 am »
The biggest complaint was that the Avalon ploughed like a John Deere, the steering, then the seats, then the noise, and the interior.

What Avalon  ???

Gotta loose the Toyota hate one day SIR O,  It's getting to you.  :)

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2012, 01:29:46 am »
Lexus ES / Toyota Avalon potato/potahto. ;D

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Re: Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2012, 03:38:02 am »
^^That's one of those idiotic reviews.  They complained that the seats didn't have enough lateral support and he was sliding around as he was running the car through the twisties.

FFS...it's a luxury car.  Test it like a luxury car,

The biggest complaint was that the Avalon ploughed like a John Deere, the steering, then the seats, then the noise, and the interior.

But I was pretty much expecting this response from my two favourite Toyota fanbois.



It just seems to be silliness in general from reviews in recent times, not  this one in particular. I read one about a pickup truck that said it drove too much like a truck. In the same issue, they said an SUV's ride was too cushy. And of course the usual that a luxury car isn't sporty enough or that a sports car doesn't have enough luxury.  Or a car with an 8 speed has too many gears, but a car with a 5 speed has too few gears.

That was my point Sir O. Not that one car did better than the other. I'm sure we'll read another review soon enough where the finishing order will be completely different and the car with the best seats/ride well have the worst this time
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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2012, 08:47:22 am »
Man. I was a bit of a jerk there. Sorry! :shuffle: :flowers:

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Re: Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2012, 12:31:21 pm »
Man. I was a bit of a jerk there. Sorry! :shuffle: :flowers:

No, no. It's all good.

Do you notice the same things I'm gripping about in reviews? Or is it just me?

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2012, 01:50:22 pm »
Are you both talking about the hybrid? Because that article mentions the hybrid and I can believe 5.6L/100km from Toyota's hybrid system. From the standard V6 I'm not sure. I know it'll be good but that sounds amazing. Why bother with the Camry? This blows it out of the water.

NO, the thread is about the 2013 Avalon so were talking the standard V6 version.  Although that 5.6 number is from the Hybrid and is just that; 5.6 then and there for the 30 minutes.

My wife's 2012 TCH XLE gets 6.3 now, down from 6.1 since it's got colder as the engine runs much more to heat the cabin.  No way it AVERAGES 5.6.  You can pull 4.6l out of it occasionally, but the average is always higher. Mike and Wings pal, Grant, stated that he got 6.5 out of that green 2012 TCH tester, but I strongly suspect that he was testing on severely under inflated tires.

The Avalon Hybrid is also rated .5 seconds slower on the 0-60 test because it's heavier.  More insulation, more stuff.  So if would only seem to logical to think that the V6 Avalon would get less mpg than the V6 Camry.

Sorry boys, I do sell these vehicles and the Camry V6 is 8.5l/100, which is what they are getting over at fuelly.com
The only thing that would reduce that 8.5 number is Direct Injection.  Is the 2013 Avalon V6 DI?  News to me.

Here's another source.
"...
What's more, as we toured through California's Napa region, we averaged nearly 40 mpg—matching its excellent 40-mpg Combined rating) in a 30-mile loop with the Hybrid, driving with traffic on highways and through a few small towns. Then heading back out, driving like hooligans on a few isolated backroads for about 25 miles in Sport Mode, we still saw about 36 mpg..."

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1080148_2013-toyota-avalon-first-drive/page-2

Fack, that's 6.5l/100km and still less than 8.5 you predict. Who should I believe? I don't know either of you so it's your word against his. Is he THAT motivated to lie about it? Maybe.
Don't want to raise any heat on this topic, and I do realize their driving conditions are pretty ideal at sea level and 22 degrees Celcius while yours are at what 1,000 feet above sea level in a colder climate(?) Other things may factor in, too.

Even if I call both of you liars and the truth is somewhere in-between, 7.5l/100km combined for a large sedan is still pretty facking good if short of phenominal.

Just saying

Happy Friday  :cheers:

EDIT: Just noticed you were talking about a V6 Camry.
I am talking about a Hybrid Avalon
If your wife's TCH gets 6.1, why only marginally heavier Avalon Hybrid should get much worse? 5.6 is pretty realistic in ideal conditions. I'd take 6.5.
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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2012, 03:16:36 pm »
The Canadian base Avalon HYBRID is probably gonna sticker around $44k freight in.   

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2012, 10:37:11 am »
james who  ???

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2012, 10:53:00 am »
Are you both talking about the hybrid? Because that article mentions the hybrid and I can believe 5.6L/100km from Toyota's hybrid system. From the standard V6 I'm not sure. I know it'll be good but that sounds amazing. Why bother with the Camry? This blows it out of the water.

NO, the thread is about the 2013 Avalon so were talking the standard V6 version.  Although that 5.6 number is from the Hybrid and is just that; 5.6 then and there for the 30 minutes.

My wife's 2012 TCH XLE gets 6.3 now, down from 6.1 since it's got colder as the engine runs much more to heat the cabin.  No way it AVERAGES 5.6.  You can pull 4.6l out of it occasionally, but the average is always higher. Mike and Wings pal, Grant, stated that he got 6.5 out of that green 2012 TCH tester, but I strongly suspect that he was testing on severely under inflated tires.

The Avalon Hybrid is also rated .5 seconds slower on the 0-60 test because it's heavier.  More insulation, more stuff.  So if would only seem to logical to think that the V6 Avalon would get less mpg than the V6 Camry.

Sorry boys, I do sell these vehicles and the Camry V6 is 8.5l/100, which is what they are getting over at fuelly.com

The only thing that would reduce that 8.5 number is Direct Injection.  Is the 2013 Avalon V6 DI?  News to me.
Woa ok... I know the review was about the V6 model but then suddenly links are being posted to reviews for the hybrid. Different beast.

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2012, 04:08:04 pm »
The Canadian base Avalon HYBRID is probably gonna sticker around $44k freight in.

Do you think they will price it a few thousand above the base Lexus ES which starts at $39,500.
That wouldn't be wise given they only charge about $2,000 for the Hybrid system over the V6 in the US.

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2012, 04:12:07 pm »
Woa ok... I know the review was about the V6 model but then suddenly links are being posted to reviews for the hybrid. Different beast.
What are you talking about? Which review? The article was about the unveiling of the new Avalon at the New York auto show. It wasn't powertrain specific. No details were available at the time about the powertrain options. The reviews that are currently available online are of both the V6 and the Hybrid that were reviewed at the same time, hence my links about the outstanding fuel economy of the Hybrid version of this large sedan.

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2012, 09:20:31 am »
Yes, a most idiotic review if there every was one.  Makes you really believe influence takes place in one form or another.

That Buick is just JUNK.  You've gotta be a very tall person, and certainly not a retired person, to handle that car because the visibility out the back is nil, the mirrors are a joke and the A pillars are huge.  It's slow and the gas mileage stinks.  The resale is horrendous.  A vehicle that you would only recommend to a person you really disliked.

I recommend the Buick to you. :rofl2:

Surprised the ES350 finished last. It should do so for the front-end stylng alone, but they seemed to find plenty of other flaws with it. Apparently a miss by Toyota.

Their conclusion that the Azera was the winner is the really idiotic thing here. They mention the noise, the suspension problems, etc, but gloss over them because of "value". Ask previous-generation Azera owners about that. There is no value in a 3 year old car that has lost the thin veneer of quality they overlay.
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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2012, 10:07:29 am »
james who  ???

ah, that's dawson from dawson's creek aka james van der beek.   autos.ca james is very nice as well.  ;)

Dawson Creek  ???
I guess after my time  :D

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Re: Preview: 2013 Toyota Avalon
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2012, 05:44:04 pm »
james who  ???

ah, that's dawson from dawson's creek aka james van der beek.   autos.ca james is very nice as well.  ;)

Dawson Creek  ???
I guess after my time  :D
oh!!!  now you are going to tell me you have no idea who the six million dollar man is!!!  8)   i wonder if lee major would drive an avalon?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc   wait he doesn't need a car, he can run 60 mph!!! and usually in a leisure suit, no less. 
on second thought he probably just lift the avalon as a daily work out.

6 million $ man started in 1974 to 1978 , so i know that one
Dawson Creek started in 1998, it was preteen show, my first grandchild was born in 1998 , so it was not my tv view list  ;D