Topic: 2025 RAM No more Hemi and a 700 mile EV!

[rrocket]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

[warp]

While some of the Stellantis product range had an element of price in-elasticity built in like the Ram pickup and Grand Cherokee, they applied across the board price increases to downright slugs such as the Jeep Compass & Renegade and that skewed the price/value equation no end. Having said that, the Pentastar V6 in the Chrysler 300 I owned gave me 300K trouble free kilometers so I think that at least on the engine/generator side, this Ramcharger should be reliable. 

[Blueprint]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

The JGC I had last week stickered at $94k. Get your head around that.

Compass and Renegade could be as successful here as they are in Italy IF prices were cut to acceptable levels. Like, Kona levels. I saw waaayyyy more Jeeps in Italy - Wrangler included - than I see here.

[sailor723]

Jeep Grand Cherokees....oh yeah, I remember those....they were big in the 90's.

[OliverD]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

Some of that can likely be attributed to them chasing profits rather than pure volume.

Cherokee numbers in particular have dwindled and it's now out of production.

Jeep Grand Cherokees....oh yeah, I remember those....they were big in the 90's.

Still pretty big, they sell over 200k a year – on par with how many were sold in the '90s.

[Woodrow]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

Some of that can likely be attributed to them chasing profits rather than pure volume.

Cherokee numbers in particular have dwindled and it's now out of production.

Jeep Grand Cherokees....oh yeah, I remember those....they were big in the 90's.

Still pretty big, they sell over 200k a year – on par with how many were sold in the '90s.

GC is nice. Just not $94K nice.

[sailor723]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

Some of that can likely be attributed to them chasing profits rather than pure volume.

Cherokee numbers in particular have dwindled and it's now out of production.

Jeep Grand Cherokees....oh yeah, I remember those....they were big in the 90's.

Still pretty big, they sell over 200k a year – on par with how many were sold in the '90s.

Just not seeing them in anywhere near the numbers I used to around here. I remember when every second vehicle at the Yacht Club was a JGC. Now it's a lot of Lexus, Volvo and the Germans...along with a fair number of Outbacks.

[Blueprint]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

Some of that can likely be attributed to them chasing profits rather than pure volume.

Cherokee numbers in particular have dwindled and it's now out of production.

Jeep Grand Cherokees....oh yeah, I remember those....they were big in the 90's.

Still pretty big, they sell over 200k a year – on par with how many were sold in the '90s.

Just not seeing them in anywhere near the numbers I used to around here. I remember when every second vehicle at the Yacht Club was a JGC. Now it's a lot of Lexus, Volvo and the Germans...along with a fair number of Outbacks.

Same here. Price hikes and the latest generation appear to have killed it in the local GMA market. Reminds me a lot of what happened to the Ford Escape, from market darling to forgotten (bad redesign, cheap plastics and price hikes, just like the JGC)

[ktm525]

Looks like a great idea! Especially for trucks that get used a lot in rural areas.

GM management, go slap yourselves

This. It took Stellantis to apply the Volt approach to the American cash cow by excellence, the full-size truck. Solves the range-while-towing issue.

But leave it to Stellantis to screw it up.

Jeep was a CASH COW. Sales are down 9 straight quarters.

That's no typo.

The JGC I had last week stickered at $94k. Get your head around that.

Compass and Renegade could be as successful here as they are in Italy IF prices were cut to acceptable levels. Like, Kona levels. I saw waaayyyy more Jeeps in Italy - Wrangler included - than I see here.

JGC. Bingo. A nice loaded one, 3 years old with full warranty coverage. I'm a player at about $40k.

[rrocket]

As pointed out, I think they tried to go up market.

A Wrangler starts at $50k these days!

[Blueprint]

More details out:

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46888226/2025-ram-1500-drive-review/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=022224&utm_campaign=nl34438624&user_email=dadc0e01582abf01012b6d82fc010e3c681e18b3f48f876b583d57a6860debc9&GID=dadc0e01582abf01012b6d82fc010e3c681e18b3f48f876b583d57a6860debc9&utm_term=TEST-%20NEW%20TEST%20-%20Sending%20List%20-%20AM%20180D%20Clicks%2C%20NON%20AM%2090D%20Opens%2C%20Both%20Subbed%20Last%2030D

Both 5.7 and 6.2 HEMI's have been dumped.

[revalations]

Been reading and watching reviews of the Ram. It’s a very nice truck. Fingers crossed that the new engine is reliable, can’t be much worse than the Hemi.

Also, the last thing Ram trucks needed was a price increase. Lots are already overflowing with unsold inventory. My dealer has plenty of 2023’s still waiting for new owners.

[Blueprint]

Been reading and watching reviews of the Ram. It’s a very nice truck. Fingers crossed that the new engine is reliable, can’t be much worse than the Hemi.

Also, the last thing Ram trucks needed was a price increase. Lots are already overflowing with unsold inventory. My dealer has plenty of 2023’s still waiting for new owners.

Local Wagoneer reviews with this engine show fuel "economy" in the 20's 

[PJungnitsch]

Sounds like the RAM 'Classic' will be sold beside these fancy ones for a while

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

$45,000 Cdn for a basic 4X4 pickup isn't bad at all, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

[OliverD]

At this point the Ram Classic is gonna end up outdoing the last Frontier's insane run. 

[Fobroader]

Yeah, just built a fully loaded Classic Warlock, a hair over $60k with taxes and all the options. Thats a smoking deal when you see what levels the other 1/2 tons are at. I don't know how they can justify the same truck being $20k or more in the new bodystyle.

[rrocket]

Sounds like the RAM 'Classic' will be sold beside these fancy ones for a while

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

$45,000 Cdn for a basic 4X4 pickup isn't bad at all, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

I had one of these as a rental.

And it felt rental grade.

[Fobroader]

Sounds like the RAM 'Classic' will be sold beside these fancy ones for a while

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

$45,000 Cdn for a basic 4X4 pickup isn't bad at all, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

I had one of these as a rental.

And it felt rental grade.

A V8, 4x4 1/2 ton for under $60k, I'll take the rental grade.

[rrocket]

Sounds like the RAM 'Classic' will be sold beside these fancy ones for a while

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46297349/2024-ram-1500-classic-confirmed/

$45,000 Cdn for a basic 4X4 pickup isn't bad at all, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

I had one of these as a rental.

And it felt rental grade.

A V8, 4x4 1/2 ton for under $60k, I'll take the rental grade.

If you like slumming it, have at it! LOL [emoji38]

[OliverD]

Reminds me of my brother in law's rental grade F-150. It's an XLT, but the very basic one. No thanks.