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2017 Smart Electric
« on: November 12, 2016, 07:23:08 pm »
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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 12:03:40 am »
Likes

1.   Looks even better.  Front is more substantial.  Tires are larger.  Like the black/green/black rims.

2.   Charges much faster on L2 AC J1772, which is useful when destination charging.  Won't make any difference for my use car of a short daily commute.


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3.   Does not have DC fast charging.  If it did, it might be suitable for other non-commute jobs like a 200 km weekend trip.  As it is, you are limited to about 150 km in a day with the AC-only charging.


Timing

4.   Coming mid-2017.   My Model 3 reservation will get priority.  I doubt I'll trade my Smart ED for a new 2017 Smart ED.



I really appreciate the design and mission of the car, simple, practical and cheap.

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 09:26:51 pm »
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/reviews/new-cars/review-2017-smart-fortwo-ed-is-the-street-legal-go-kart-you-always-wanted/article32884021/

Quick companion video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4qziEHRY7M

Very positive review.

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Lay your foot down on the accelerator and the car zips forth with a sound like a scalded pig, a high-pitched and prolonged “weeeeEEEEE”. The battery pack under the seats acts something like the keel on a sailboat, allowing for a frivolous, devil-may-care attitude toward cornering. Chuck the Smart into a 90-degree bend and it whips around like it’s on rails. Pitch it down an on-ramp, power through and it’s like driving a high-dollar sports car in super slow motion. Do a u-turn and you’re likely to end up facing on-coming traffic, so tight is its turning circle.

« Last Edit: November 17, 2016, 10:06:20 pm by Smart Electric »

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 09:45:09 pm »
Motormouth (Zac) reviews Smart ED, and likes it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ey9sIBSFpU

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 09:52:25 pm »
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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 09:53:03 pm »
Roman from The Fast Lane Car reviews :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML67Pb9Zeeg

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 10:04:37 pm »

Missing

3.   Does not have DC fast charging.  If it did, it might be suitable for other non-commute jobs like a 200 km weekend trip.  As it is, you are limited to about 150 km in a day with the AC-only charging.


That is the sad point. No EV (and why not EV-RE/PHEV) shouldn't be in sale without DCFC port capability.
Gone but not forgotten in chronological order: 2019 Volt, 2013 Volt, 2014 Spark EV, 2012 Volt and many others before...

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 10:11:31 pm »
No EV (and why not EV-RE/PHEV) shouldn't be in sale without DCFC port capability.

Couldn't agree more!   I love this little car, but am struck by the lack of DC charging. 
At least it has a 30A 240V 7kW AC charging system, which is double what I have in my 2013 ...
Then again, I've almost exclusively charged at home on 120V, so wouldn't even use 240V ...

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 10:21:33 pm »
Mobile geeks (short) review (focus on tech) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xmJdReVn1M

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 10:26:32 pm »
Once with my former Spark EV, coming back from Québec city, I stopped at the Rond-Point du Jour DCFC https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/57302 and there was a Smart charging on the Level 2 (208Vac) EVSE, knowing how slow a 3.3/3.6kWac onboard charger can be, I had a 20 mins chit chat with the Lady behind the wheel before my Spark was ready to reach home...  ;D

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2016, 11:53:23 pm »
As marketed by Smart, the Electric Drive model is designed for the city commute.
99.999% of the time these cars are charged at home or work, not on the road.

I've charged my Smart ED a handful of times away from home, and every time it was an opportunity charge, and mostly to test the local infrastructure.

My Smart ED has 1000 charges on it, one for every day I've owned it.

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It’s a riot
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2016, 12:30:14 pm »
This review accurately covers what it's like to drive the small but frisky Smart Electric Drive.
I have used the term "it's a riot to drive" and so does this reviewer, even though he (like I) came from a love of V8 performance cars.

http://www.autofocus.ca/reviews/first-drives/2017-smart-fortwo-electric-drive-hope-for-a-better-world

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I secretly love 5.0-litre V8s and – even better – a screaming V12. [Really? ‘Secretly’? —Ed.] Oh, gimme the roar of internal combustion and a hellfire exhaust note any day. I know it’s terrible for the planet. Call it a very, very guilty pleasure, indulged on weekends mostly.
And so it was with great shock that I drove the gasoline smart, with its lawnmower-sized engine, and loved it. It was the most fun I’ve had driving any car around the crowded, congested city in which I live. Its secret is that it’s laid out like a Porsche 911, with engine in the trunk driving the rear wheels. It’s so easy to push the smart’s dinky tires to its limits, at perfectly legal speeds, you can treat it like a go-kart. It’s a riot.
The same is doubly true of the electric version. In fact, its handling is even better. The battery pack mounted low acts like ballast. It feels unshakably stable, and no matter how quickly you take a turn, it seems to want you to try to go faster. This little eco-machine puts the devil on your shoulder. All this from a car with 81 horsepower that does zero-to-100 km/h in a lardy 11.5 seconds. Huh.

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Re: It’s a riot
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2016, 12:38:00 pm »
This review accurately covers what it's like to drive the small but frisky Smart Electric Drive.
I have used the term "it's a riot to drive" and so does this reviewer, even though he (like I) came from a love of V8 performance cars.


You two should get a bottle of wine, and a room  :rofl2:

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2016, 01:07:04 pm »
Sorry, no rebates here, for $26K I can think of a pile load of cars, new and used, that would be better for my commute. A Prius is pretty close to that and that seems to be a much better all around car, or a Volt.
Lighten up Francis.....

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2016, 12:12:28 am »
When I bought my Smart ED back in 2013, the price was $26K MSRP.   
Mercedes/Smart had a $3000 dealer rebate plus $1000 discount for being a Mercedes owner.

I believe you don't pay tax in Alberta, so the price is within $2K of buying in Ontario even with our rebate.

Honestly, the reviews on this car are 100% positive for what it is, a city car with good off-the-line thrust.

I don't understand the dislike for a product designed for a specific purpose, and fully achieving that goal.
Like I said elsewhere, the only "trouble" so far was $3 for a rear tail light bulb.
Smallest turning radius, trivial to park, quick acceleration up to city road speed limits, roomy for two people, easy entry/exit, practical storage space for shopping runs.

I put my winter tires on a few weeks ago, easiest job ever, small wheels and tires and I only paid $200 cash for winters on all four corners with rims!  It's the cheapest car to run I have ever owned.   

Not one bad review of the new 2017 Smart ED, so far, it's been only positive reviews online.

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 05:20:56 am »
They pay GST in Alberta  ::)

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2016, 09:10:00 pm »
They pay GST in Alberta  ::)

Ah, yes, Alberta pays 5%, Ontario 13%. 

The after tax price of a $100K Tesla is:
$105K in Alberta
$113K in Ontario, subtract $3K rebate = $110K

The after tax price on a reasonable spec Chevy Bolt is :
$52.5K in Alberta
$56.5K in Ontario, subtract $14K rebate = $42.5K

The after tax price on a reasonable spec Smart ED (with the usual dealer discount on these cars) is :
$25K in Alberta
$19K in Ontario ($3K tax)

Alberta car buyers get a goodly break on buying a Tesla Model X/S, and those in Ontario get a big break on a Bolt and Smart ED.

Over the life of the car, the benefit to Ontario having a public owned electric utility starts to pay back the rebate a bit.
Say 250,000 km driven over 10 years, 90% of the time charged in garage overnight, that's 63000 kWh.
Ontario sells excess Nuclear power for 3 cents per kWh, and over the next 10 years cost of production is 9 cents (raised from 6 cents today due to refurbishment, this rate increase is already approved).
So, Ontario nets 6 cents per kWh on 63000 kWh = $3780.

Therefore, the net cost of the rebate to Ontario is reduced by EV owners using up excess electricity normally sold for reduced price to the US.
In Ontario, the $8.5K rebate is effectively offset by ~$3.5K tax and $3.5 "bonus" electricity revenue.

Of course, now we would need to figure in fuel taxes on the other side, and that also would benefit the province, but of course, some of that tax is paid in health care costs due to the emissions of the cars.

It's a lot to try to factor in, I grant that, but I'm just demonstrating that there is more to this equation than "REBATES OMG!!".

Cheers. :P
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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2017, 08:34:59 pm »
NEWS!
Ontario changed their rebate program today.
The Smart ED qualifies for $13K.

I said I wouldn't be getting another Smart ED ... waiting for the Tesla 3 ... that's what I said ... but now, I'm heading to the MB/Smart dealer to put down my deposit on a new 2017 Smart ED convertible tomorrow ... someone STOP ME!!!!! OMG, I just configured my colors and interior ... DOOMED! (image below)

I'm still getting the Tesla Model 3 I have on reservation, is it wrong to have three electric cars in a driveway?!


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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2017, 10:00:15 pm »
NEWS!
Ontario changed their rebate program today.
The Smart ED qualifies for $13K.

I said I wouldn't be getting another Smart ED ... waiting for the Tesla 3 ... that's what I said ... but now, I'm heading to the MB/Smart dealer to put down my deposit on a new 2017 Smart ED convertible tomorrow ... someone STOP ME!!!!! OMG, I just configured my colors and interior ... DOOMED! (image below)

I'm still getting the Tesla Model 3 I have on reservation, is it wrong to have three electric cars in a driveway?!



Yesterday, when I pointed the $13K incentives in Ontario applicable to the Spark EV, I was not aware all of those have just been under revision...

3 EVs in your driveway? Have you a child at home near to obtain his/her driver license?  ;D

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Re: 2017 Smart Electric
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2017, 10:06:08 pm »
3 EVs you sound very environmentally responsible lol

That is a sizeable rebate for sure.  Will the Leaf also get that?