Topic: First Drive: 2018 Mazda6

[Jaeger]

It's also $20k cheaper.

And the IS is less costly still.  I guess it likewise does better because of price and not because of the availability of AWD?  If so wouldn't that support the proposition that awd isn't the differentiating factor?  Can't have it both ways:  AWD IS outsells the more costly FWD ES because AWD.  FWD ES outsells the more costly AWD GS because cheaper.

[OliverD]

It's also $20k cheaper.

And the IS is less costly still.  I guess it likewise does better because of price and not because of the availability of AWD?  If so wouldn't that support the proposition that awd isn't the differentiating factor?  Can't have it both ways:  AWD IS outsells the more costly FWD ES because AWD.  FWD ES outsells the more costly AWD GS because cheaper.

The AWD IS and FWD ES are less than $500 apart in Canada.

[Noto]

Can't have it both ways:  AWD IS outsells the more costly FWD ES because AWD.  FWD ES outsells the more costly AWD GS because cheaper.

Of course it can go both ways.

...because there are more factors than your tiny consciousness can comprehend, you condescending, egotistical shell of a human.

[Jaeger]

Can't have it both ways:  AWD IS outsells the more costly FWD ES because AWD.  FWD ES outsells the more costly AWD GS because cheaper.

Of course it can go both ways.

...because there are more factors than your tiny consciousness can comprehend, you condescending, egotistical shell of a human.

Bunched panties must be so uncomfortable for you.    But hey - huge irony props for trashing my tiny consciousness while in the same breath proclaiming me to be condescending. 

[z973]

I heard the 2019 Mazda3 will have the skyactive X and AWD

[tortoise]

The $20k difference removes any notion of a sales comparison between the GS and ES.

And the IS doesn't sell twice as much as the ES just because it has AWD. It's a much more compelling package overall. That's like saying the F-150 outsells the ES just because it has AWD.

[Noto]

Bunched panties must be so uncomfortable for you.

So you take issue with folks who cross-dress?

Keep the hate coming.

[Noto]

I heard the 2019 Mazda3 will have the skyactive X and AWD

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/16686/mazda-wants-all-wheel-drive-in-the-next-3-and-6

"I think we are not able to combine four-wheel drive and the 2.5-litre turbo. We have a layout issue with the sedans, that’s why a four-wheel drive isn’t deployed on the Mazda3 and 6 so far," said Moro. "But there is a huge demand, at least what I know is that in the east coast of the USA, 80 or 90 percent of premium sedans are sold with all-wheel drive." Moro adds, "Four-wheel drive becomes a premium queue for U.S. consumers and obviously I have asked our R&D department to think about how we can accommodate four-wheel drive capability in the future."

[tortoise]

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/16686/mazda-wants-all-wheel-drive-in-the-next-3-and-6

But I thought there was no need?

[Jaeger]

Bunched panties must be so uncomfortable for you.

So you take issue with folks who cross-dress?

Keep the hate coming.

Lol you're not even making sense now - which isn't surprising.

Toyota and Honda will continue to dominate the mainstream midsize segment for years to come.  My prediction: the new AWD Altima will not be more than a blip on their sales radar.  The notion that AWD is a competitive requirement in this segment quite simply flies in the face of reality.  But rant on as I'm sure you will.

[tortoise]

Nobody is saying that the 6 is going to dominate the sales charts.

[Jaeger]

Nobody is saying that the 6 is going to dominate the sales charts.

Including me.  Which begs the question of why you feel the need to point out what absolutely nobody is saying.  The Altima is doing exactly what some say Mazda "needs" to do.  The sales story will tell if it manages to carve out a bigger segment slice than basically any brand new entry manages to do because brand new entry.

[OliverD]

Toyota and Honda will continue to dominate the mainstream midsize segment for years to come.  My prediction: the new AWD Altima will not be more than a blip on their sales radar.  The notion that AWD is a competitive requirement in this segment quite simply flies in the face of reality.  But rant on as I'm sure you will.

YTD the Accord is just barely outselling the Altima in the U.S. While it may not be right up there with the Accord and Camry the Altima does sell in significant volumes.

I think the initial point that No-san was trying to make was that AWD would be a good differentiator for the Mazda 6, particularly where the majority of their sales are the higher trim models. I'm not sure he's wrong.

[Jaeger]

Toyota and Honda will continue to dominate the mainstream midsize segment for years to come.  My prediction: the new AWD Altima will not be more than a blip on their sales radar.  The notion that AWD is a competitive requirement in this segment quite simply flies in the face of reality.  But rant on as I'm sure you will.

YTD the Accord is just barely outselling the Altima in the U.S. While it may not be right up there with the Accord and Camry the Altima does sell in significant volumes.

I think the initial point that No-san was trying to make was that AWD would be a good differentiator for the Mazda 6, particularly where the majority of their sales are the higher trim models. I'm not sure he's wrong.

And again "AWD would be good" is a point that nobody is disputing.  That AWD is "needed" is what I just don't accept.

I understand that Mazda didn't want to invest in making this ageing 6 AWD, but it really needs it to carve out its niche and properly move 'upscale'.  It may be priced well compared to the Camry/Accord, but nearly $40k is a lot of money for this thing when we have winter (or want better launch).

Better car or not (it's not), the Buick with firesale pricing makes them pretty damn compelling...

[Noto]

Bunched panties must be so uncomfortable for you.

So you take issue with folks who cross-dress?

Lol you're not even making sense now - which isn't surprising.

You're aware that I'm male.  You use a mood descriptor to suggest that I'm wearing panties - an article of women's clothing.  Explain how that fails to make sense?

I don't think it's a secret that I'm not fond of continued use of racist/sexist/etc terminology...including calling those who are mentally ill "crazy".

"But I only meant to be funny".  It's not.

I think the initial point that No-san was trying to make was that AWD would be a good differentiator for the Mazda 6, particularly where the majority of their sales are the higher trim models. I'm not sure he's wrong.

Thank you.

I understand that Mazda didn't want to invest in making this ageing 6 AWD, but it really needs it to carve out its niche and properly move 'upscale'.  It may be priced well compared to the Camry/Accord, but nearly $40k is a lot of money for this thing when we have winter (or want better launch).

It helps if you focus on the entire sentence rather than a few words contained within it.

[Gurgie]

Wish I had the popcorn emoji available thru tapatalk... you guys are killing me!

Oh & BTW, the reason the IS outsells the ES is because it's a better looking car... not an old man car (like a few participating on this thread should be driving, or do drive... [emoji12] )

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[Jaeger]

Bunched panties must be so uncomfortable for you.

So you take issue with folks who cross-dress?

Lol you're not even making sense now - which isn't surprising.

You're aware that I'm male.  You use a mood descriptor to suggest that I'm wearing panties - an article of women's clothing.  Explain how that fails to make sense?

I don't think it's a secret that I'm not fond of continued use of racist/sexist/etc terminology...including calling those who are mentally ill "crazy".

"But I only meant to be funny".  It's not.

I think the initial point that No-san was trying to make was that AWD would be a good differentiator for the Mazda 6, particularly where the majority of their sales are the higher trim models. I'm not sure he's wrong.

Thank you.

I understand that Mazda didn't want to invest in making this ageing 6 AWD, but it really needs it to carve out its niche and properly move 'upscale'.  It may be priced well compared to the Camry/Accord, but nearly $40k is a lot of money for this thing when we have winter (or want better launch).

It helps if you focus on the entire sentence rather than a few words contained within it.

As predicted, your rant continues unabated.  Pretty easy call, truth be told.  My comment about your bunched panties was hardly a negative characterization of cross-dressing.  It was a suggestion that a better fit for your frillies might improve your disposition.

[Noto]

According to the Saxx website, I'm wearing a perfectly sized pair of boxers thank you very much.

https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=99924.msg1314624#msg1314624

 

Re-reading that thread...amazing.  Just amazing!

[OliverD]

Wish I had the popcorn emoji available thru tapatalk... you guys are killing me!

Oh & BTW, the reason the IS outsells the ES is because it's a better looking car... not an old man car (like a few participating on this thread should be driving, or do drive... [emoji12] )

In the U.S. the ES outsells the IS by a vast margin though. In Canada the reverse is true.

Considering that the market for non-AWD luxury sedans is pretty much nonexistent in Canada, I think it's fair to say that the lack of AWD in the ES is the primary factor for its non-success here.

[Sir Osis of Liver]