Quote from: Weels on June 23, 2017, 11:33:09 am^ Dunno man, 400 hp out of a 2L?You may very well be right, but i'll let someone else be the guinea pigs. This. Luxury to me means large(er) engine. I'm a dinosaur but whatever. I'd prefer my 400hp coming from a V8 god willing.
^ Dunno man, 400 hp out of a 2L?You may very well be right, but i'll let someone else be the guinea pigs.
Yes, but you are not Mrs Railton, are you?
Quote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 11:30:42 amAll this talk about 4 cylinder engines being over-stressed and not a good fit for an SUV. Nonsense. The 4 cylinder in our Q5 has been stout and reliable and this is borne out in many online reviews and long-term tests. I'm pretty sure the Swedes can build a good 4 cylinder, too. An argument can be made for the fact that a boosted, low compression ratio 4 cylinder is less stressed than a naturally aspirated 6. The engine is nothing more than an air pump for the compressed air that (in the Volvo use case) the supercharger and turbocharger pour down its throat. I can't see the logic in overlooking the 4. Old stereotypes maybe? C'mon folks! We're in the 21st century and advances in engine control logic, injection and combustion chamber design, timing, and engine computers, have made that "no substitute for cubic inches" saw go the way of the dino!How about 4 cylinders are my least favorite engine...period? V8, V6...then 4 banger.So that's the reason I wouldn't buy one.Also...I have yet to drive ANY 4 banger that's as silky smooth as a V8. Plus 4 bangers sound like crap to my ears. If I'm spending $50-$60k...it will have the engine I prefer.
All this talk about 4 cylinder engines being over-stressed and not a good fit for an SUV. Nonsense. The 4 cylinder in our Q5 has been stout and reliable and this is borne out in many online reviews and long-term tests. I'm pretty sure the Swedes can build a good 4 cylinder, too. An argument can be made for the fact that a boosted, low compression ratio 4 cylinder is less stressed than a naturally aspirated 6. The engine is nothing more than an air pump for the compressed air that (in the Volvo use case) the supercharger and turbocharger pour down its throat. I can't see the logic in overlooking the 4. Old stereotypes maybe? C'mon folks! We're in the 21st century and advances in engine control logic, injection and combustion chamber design, timing, and engine computers, have made that "no substitute for cubic inches" saw go the way of the dino!
You're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.
Rented an Edge Titanium on Wednesday at YUL. At first I found it very nice. Sync system is very cool. Comfort is excellent but it moves a lot on its suspensions, both my Volvo's have much better control. Auto AC would get a little crazy by turning fan full on all of a sudden for no apparent reason. Then drove to Quebec, after 90 minutes on the highway, seat started to become uncomfortable. Very disapointed byt the fuel economy. Reset the computer when I got on highway and got 10.3 L/100 km at 118 KPH. for the 250 km trip. My V60 will do about 8 in those conditions and the XC60 will do about 9. The T6 in both Volvos is in a totally different league than the Ford. The size is closer tho the XC60 than 90. Cooling seats were cool! I was glad to get back in the V60. Biggest drawbacks of the Edge; seats and handling.
Quote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 08:12:55 pmYou're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.The Mazda CX-9 we tried a few weeks back checked all the boxes except for one - sound. Around town to our ears it really does sound like an economy 4 cylinder.Railton
Quote from: Railton on June 24, 2017, 07:31:13 amQuote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 08:12:55 pmYou're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.The Mazda CX-9 we tried a few weeks back checked all the boxes except for one - sound. Around town to our ears it really does sound like an economy 4 cylinder.RailtonThe 4 pot in the X3 sounds better than the one in my daughter's 2012 X1....They seem to have calmed down the diesel clatter at idle a fair bit......or it has better sound insulation.Winding it out through the gears sounds OK to me.
Quote from: sailor723 on June 24, 2017, 07:39:30 amQuote from: Railton on June 24, 2017, 07:31:13 amQuote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 08:12:55 pmYou're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.The Mazda CX-9 we tried a few weeks back checked all the boxes except for one - sound. Around town to our ears it really does sound like an economy 4 cylinder.RailtonThe 4 pot in the X3 sounds better than the one in my daughter's 2012 X1....They seem to have calmed down the diesel clatter at idle a fair bit......or it has better sound insulation.Winding it out through the gears sounds OK to me.^^ because they pump fake sound through the speakers.
Ted, what did you think of the dead pedal in the MDX/RDX , I thought it was too large
Quote from: Airbalancer on June 23, 2017, 08:52:01 amTed, what did you think of the dead pedal in the MDX/RDX , I thought it was too largeInfamous dead pedal. Mrs. Railton did not mention it.Railton
Quote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 08:12:55 pmYou're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.I disagree. They don't sound nearly as good as a V8 or V6..and the NVH is unmatched (V8). Since driving an SUV is dynamic purgatory for me...I at least would want a melodious exhaust to keep me awake and interested.Whatever you're smoking to disagree with that...please take a hit and pass it!Which C&D issue BTW? July or June?
So.....absolutely,positively no FGC's? There are several choices with 6 cylinders, lots of power and good driving dynamics that rule excludes.
Quote from: rrocket on June 23, 2017, 10:58:30 pmQuote from: Angry Chicken on June 23, 2017, 08:12:55 pmYou're all smoking funny cigarettes. What vehicle won the 5-way comparo of new three-row SUVs in this month's C&D? Hint: it was the only vehicle in the comparison test with a 4 cylinder. You guys have to get out of the 90's. Railton, you're shutting the door on some excellent vehicles with your no 4 cylinder rule.I disagree. They don't sound nearly as good as a V8 or V6..and the NVH is unmatched (V8). Since driving an SUV is dynamic purgatory for me...I at least would want a melodious exhaust to keep me awake and interested.Whatever you're smoking to disagree with that...please take a hit and pass it!Which C&D issue BTW? July or June?August.
