Topic: New Lotus Emira

[rrocket]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

[ChaosphereIX]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

Toyota supercharged V6 that sounds wicked, vs the Porsche Flat 6? Much tougher call there.

Looks and appeal wise, I would go Lotus no question.

I also would be hard pass on the 4 banger, especially since it is only 2 pedal.

[Shorlaw]

Playing with the configurator really impressed what a gorgeous car this is!

Will it really be priced that much less than the Evora?

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/lotus/evora/toronto/ontario/5_47709834_on20080204113056281/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=3_12_12&pc=L0P%201B0&sprx=100

[rrocket]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

Toyota supercharged V6 that sounds wicked, vs the Porsche Flat 6? Much tougher call there.

Yea but he said he'd want the 4 banger (initially).

Same reason I'd rather the older Boxster/Cayman over the newer 4 banger models.

6 over 4 for me!

I think the Lotus deserves a sexy sound to match the looks..and that won't happen with the AMG mill IMO.

[ChaosphereIX]

 

[KD]

Well, I’d much prefer the 6/manual over the 4/dct but I could be swayed by price.  For example, it’s quite possible I could go crazy enough to write a cheque for $80k for the 4 banger, but no way would I go $100k even for the 6 manual.  I suspect many people in my position would have a similar outlook.  Also, what about the guys who actually track?  Would the 4/dct make a better track demon than the 6/manual?

If I did have the scratch the harder choice for me would be between this Lotus with 6/manual, or the Boxster 6/manual.  I prefer the open air feel of a roadster but that Lotus looks so damned good! 

[Hannibalsmith]

Dare I say the Emira maybe a 3rd / track car for those who buy it? As opposed to a 2nd fund car.

[rrocket]

Not that it matters to us....but I'd say 20 years down the line, the V6+manual will be worth more money too.

[JohnnyMac]

Dare I say the Emira maybe a 3rd / track car for those who buy it? As opposed to a 2nd fund car.

From all that I have read this new vehicle is supposed to compete with the BMW M2 and Porsche Cayman S, and it is by far the most luxury and livable Lotus in the past 30 years.  So yes it will be great on the track but it will also be very daily drivable.

[Triple Bob]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

[quadzilla]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

[ChaosphereIX]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

While mostly true, some sports cars were designed around a 4 cyl engine. S2000, being one. Would not have that car any other way.

[PJungnitsch]

I honestly hope these get bought in droves, every one they can make. Lotus seems one of the last hopes to preserve the joy of driving for those that enjoy such a thing.

If I was in the market, and had the money, this would be very high on my shopping list.

Maserati MC20 just got slapped.

Unfortunately this might be their last internal combustion engine vehicle that they produce.  They are said to be going full electric going forward.  So I could see these holding their value extremely well over time.

Speaking of Lotus electric, almost 2000 hp and a 9 second 0 to 186mph time for the Evija. 3.5 seconds faster than the Bugatti Chiron. Wow

[Great_Big_Abyss]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

While mostly true, some sports cars were designed around a 4 cyl engine. S2000, being one. Would not have that car any other way.

The fact that Bob constantly bangs on about his old Elise - a sports car built around a 4-banger, tells me that he's perfectly alright with 4 cylinder sports cars.

[Hannibalsmith]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

While mostly true, some sports cars were designed around a 4 cyl engine. S2000, being one. Would not have that car any other way.

The fact that Bob constantly bangs on about his old Elise - a sports car built around a 4-banger, tells me that he's perfectly alright with 4 cylinder sports cars.

And did you know he daily drove it in the winter?

[Great_Big_Abyss]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

While mostly true, some sports cars were designed around a 4 cyl engine. S2000, being one. Would not have that car any other way.

The fact that Bob constantly bangs on about his old Elise - a sports car built around a 4-banger, tells me that he's perfectly alright with 4 cylinder sports cars.

And did you know he daily drove it in the winter?

   We love you, Bob, never change. 

[Triple Bob]

To be fair though, if I was in the market for a Porsche of any kind, I'd be all over this instead.

Really?

A 4 banger vs. a flat 6?

Hard pass on the 4 banger.

I already said I changed my mind on the engine, I'd go with the 6.

But the fact that you even thought about driving a 4 cyl sports car is pure blasphemy. How do you sleep at night. 

While mostly true, some sports cars were designed around a 4 cyl engine. S2000, being one. Would not have that car any other way.

The fact that Bob constantly bangs on about his old Elise - a sports car built around a 4-banger, tells me that he's perfectly alright with 4 cylinder sports cars.

And did you know he daily drove it in the winter?

   We love you, Bob, never change.

LOL. I honestly don't understand North American's fascination with the number of cylinders, like I really don't. It comes up in literally every car review. And yes, I'm perfectly happy with four cylinder engines.  And yes, did I say that I daily'd an Exige in multiple Winters. 

P.S. I was assuming the Emira came with the same engine as the original GLA AMG, which I really like, but agree that in this case the 6 with a manual 'box would be much better.

[JohnnyMac]

You know I was thinking about this last night in bed, so Lotus kept the same Toyota 3.5 supercharged V6, and now partnered with AMG for their 2L turbo'd engine, as well as their dual clutch automatic.  You know what I wish they had done instead, went to Audi and took one of their RS engines, either the 2.5 Turbo 5 cylinder or even the 2.9 Turbo V6.  I'm assuming both would work as they aren't RWD platforms and similar to the AMG 4 cylinder.  They should enough space for both as the 3.5 V6 and supercharger isn't exactly a small engine.  Then they could have paired that with one of the dual clutch autos offered by Audi/VW group. 

The only reason I can think why this wouldn't have worked out if the relationship that Audi has with Porsche, and the fact that the Lotus is pegged to be a direct competitor to the Cayman S. 

BMW wouldn't have really been an option just because they typically use a RWD platform and the engine placement likely wouldn't have been ideal, plus again they are a direct competitor with their M2.

But that would have been pretty sweet, either that awesome near exotic sounds from the Audi 5 cylinder or the 450+Hp from the 2.9 turbo.

[Triple Bob]

You know I was thinking about this last night in bed, so Lotus kept the same Toyota 3.5 supercharged V6, and now partnered with AMG for their 2L turbo'd engine, as well as their dual clutch automatic.  You know what I wish they had done instead, went to Audi and took one of their RS engines, either the 2.5 Turbo 5 cylinder or even the 2.9 Turbo V6.  I'm assuming both would work as they aren't RWD platforms and similar to the AMG 4 cylinder.  They should enough space for both as the 3.5 V6 and supercharger isn't exactly a small engine.  Then they could have paired that with one of the dual clutch autos offered by Audi/VW group. 

The only reason I can think why this wouldn't have worked out if the relationship that Audi has with Porsche, and the fact that the Lotus is pegged to be a direct competitor to the Cayman S. 

BMW wouldn't have really been an option just because they typically use a RWD platform and the engine placement likely wouldn't have been ideal, plus again they are a direct competitor with their M2.

But that would have been pretty sweet, either that awesome near exotic sounds from the Audi 5 cylinder or the 450+Hp from the 2.9 turbo.

Other than the obvious stuff you've already stated, I think they needed a lower level engine, not a more powerful one. And AMG are known for doing deals like this, same as Lotus charge for their handling and design studio.

I wonder if the Audi one is also heavier, and maybe spins the wrong way?

[dkaz]

I was looking at Lotus Exige with the Toyota/Yamaha 2ZZ-GE engine. There are two in the country and they're going for $78,000 and $79,000.