Topic: FCA. Cheaters?

[Guest]

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[tpl]

This could all have been averted by letting them go out of business in 2008!

[mlin32]

I'm surprised the American press didn't cover more of this story, as FCA has been under investigation for this on both sides of the Atlantic for a few months now.

I guess there's probably some protectionism going on.

[rrocket]

I'm surprised the American press didn't cover more of this story, as FCA has been under investigation for this on both sides of the Atlantic for a few months now.

I guess there's probably some protectionism going on.

Protectionism for a foreign company?

Interesting.

[mlin32]

I'm surprised the American press didn't cover more of this story, as FCA has been under investigation for this on both sides of the Atlantic for a few months now.

I guess there's probably some protectionism going on.

Protectionism for a foreign company?

Interesting.

The public perception is that Jeep is still an American icon. At that's the case where I live.

[rrocket]

I'm surprised the American press didn't cover more of this story, as FCA has been under investigation for this on both sides of the Atlantic for a few months now.

I guess there's probably some protectionism going on.

Protectionism for a foreign company?

Interesting.

The public perception is that Jeep is still an American icon. At that's the case where I live.

The public perception when talking about diesel trucks is definitely not Jeep.  It would be RAM.

[tooscoops]

the engine is in the grand cherokee too... and fca is using both ram and jeep as the two images they want to be recognized by. so i'd say it's valid.

all of these articles i have read have really been tricky. they talk about the epa's issue and that they found unreported emissions controls... but then refer to "cheat" devices with the lawsuit. it is the same things the two groups have issues with. a cheat device is setting up the car to recognize it is being tested, and alter the way it works in order to pass emissions. these are not cheat devices that the 3L has...

there is nothing that "cheated", just that at high speeds and heavy use applications, the engines computer would opt for more power rather than prioritize emissions control. if i was towing a trailer through the mountains, and had to floor it... i would really like to get up the hill, even if it caused a bit more pollution.

so dumb.

[rrocket]

the engine is in the grand cherokee too...

Yes, but when you say "diesel truck", Grand Cherokee isn't what initially jumps to mind IMO.

[tooscoops]

well, you would also think cummins first if that is the train of thought.

[Gurgie]

the engine is in the grand cherokee too... and fca is using both ram and jeep as the two images they want to be recognized by. so i'd say it's valid.

all of these articles i have read have really been tricky. they talk about the epa's issue and that they found unreported emissions controls... but then refer to "cheat" devices with the lawsuit. it is the same things the two groups have issues with. a cheat device is setting up the car to recognize it is being tested, and alter the way it works in order to pass emissions. these are not cheat devices that the 3L has...

there is nothing that "cheated", just that at high speeds and heavy use applications, the engines computer would opt for more power rather than prioritize emissions control. if i was towing a trailer through the mountains, and had to floor it... i would really like to get up the hill, even if it caused a bit more pollution.

so dumb.

So my hopes & dreams of FCA giving me $7500 cash plus buying back my GC (at market value when the news broke) like VW did for dieselgate aren't gonna happen?       

[blur911]

I know a couple guys at work who bought Ram diesel trucks last year,  Ram is basically offering them a full refund if they buy another truck.  One of them did, the other is thinking about it.

[Gurgie]

^WOW, that's the 1st I've heard of that!! 

[Ex-airbalancer]

I was just looking at this one
http://www.bayviewauto.ca/used/vehicle/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-summit--diesel-4x4-panoroof-leather-nav-bsa-id8143722.htm

[Gurgie]

I was just looking at this one
http://www.bayviewauto.ca/used/vehicle/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-summit--diesel-4x4-panoroof-leather-nav-bsa-id8143722.htm

Seems like a pretty good deal, mileage is pretty low & I like that brown interior 

[tooscoops]

I know a couple guys at work who bought Ram diesel trucks last year,  Ram is basically offering them a full refund if they buy another truck.  One of them did, the other is thinking about it.

ram is not. they are not reading what the dealer is giving them.

they are falling for the price match type marketing. i bet they just got a letter in the mail from absolute results for a "private sale" and have fallen for the marketing pitch.

[blur911]

I know a couple guys at work who bought Ram diesel trucks last year,  Ram is basically offering them a full refund if they buy another truck.  One of them did, the other is thinking about it.

ram is not. they are not reading what the dealer is giving them.

they are falling for the price match type marketing. i bet they just got a letter in the mail from absolute results for a "private sale" and have fallen for the marketing pitch.

Yeah, I was wondering that myself.   These guys seem to be easy to sell things to.  One was talking about how the truck he wants is only $40 a month more than he's paying now.  I had to remind him there was another full year of payments added to that term.  He didn't care, he only thinks payments from month to month.

They just figure they'll always have payments and just want to be driving the newest vehicle they can and don't care to ever get ahead.

[Cord]

i bet they just got a letter in the mail from absolute results for a "private sale" and have fallen for the marketing pitch.

Oh yeah, they'll have the chance to talk to a Dodge/Ford/Hyundai/GM/Honda "affiliate." Scumbags.

[mmret]

I'm surprised the American press didn't cover more of this story, as FCA has been under investigation for this on both sides of the Atlantic for a few months now.

I guess there's probably some protectionism going on.

Protectionism for a foreign company?

Interesting.

I wonder if people thought of it as foreign during the Daimler days.

[tooscoops]

i bet they just got a letter in the mail from absolute results for a "private sale" and have fallen for the marketing pitch.

Oh yeah, they'll have the chance to talk to a Dodge/Ford/Hyundai/GM/Honda "affiliate." Scumbags.

yeah... they have been forced to change their wording... now they are "hired by the manufacturer to help sell some cars"... whatever. i just despise it.

as for the 40 bucks more... so common to just see the difference in a month to month basis. just had a guy and he *needed* to lower his payment... his finances had changed, and wanted the payment lower. so is saving 10 bucks every two weeks.... but adding three years to a loan on a lower trim vehicle... brilliant. spelled out how dumb it was, but they wouldn't hear it.

anywho, as to the diesel, i was just pricing out a truck for someone... trading in his ecodiesel... BB showed an adjustment of 7700(!) when i selected ecodiesel on the trade.... crazy! it was 4700 when new and the guy has been saving on fuel for the last two years... definitely a smart choice for him at the time! (and no, i didn't give him what BB called it at, but still interesting)

[Gurgie]

i bet they just got a letter in the mail from absolute results for a "private sale" and have fallen for the marketing pitch.

Oh yeah, they'll have the chance to talk to a Dodge/Ford/Hyundai/GM/Honda "affiliate." Scumbags.

yeah... they have been forced to change their wording... now they are "hired by the manufacturer to help sell some cars"... whatever. i just despise it.

as for the 40 bucks more... so common to just see the difference in a month to month basis. just had a guy and he *needed* to lower his payment... his finances had changed, and wanted the payment lower. so is saving 10 bucks every two weeks.... but adding three years to a loan on a lower trim vehicle... brilliant. spelled out how dumb it was, but they wouldn't hear it.

anywho, as to the diesel, i was just pricing out a truck for someone... trading in his ecodiesel... BB showed an adjustment of 7700(!) when i selected ecodiesel on the trade.... crazy! it was 4700 when new and the guy has been saving on fuel for the last two years... definitely a smart choice for him at the time! (and no, i didn't give him what BB called it at, but still interesting)

Well, I'll be expecting that 7700 adjustment from you if I ever trade my ecodiesel in with you!!