Topic: 2025 Camry Hybrid+AWD

[rrocket]

Interested to see how well it sells..

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/09/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-awd/

[JohnnyMac]

Interested to see how well it sells..

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/09/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-awd/

If it’s anything like all their other hybrid sales (especially the AWD ones) the issue won’t be sales but inventory to fill orders.

[Seafoam]

^^^^  This

[sailor723]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

[rrocket]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

[JohnnyMac]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

Yes, and it’s not just our market with this spike, it’s pretty much the whole world.  Hybrids aren’t as easy to mass produce due to the lower availability of certain components that are specific to them. 

[Seafoam]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

They can't even supply the market with a base Corolla .

[sailor723]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

They can't even supply the market with a base Corolla .

That's what i was wondering about. It's not like when I drive by my local dealer they have no hybrids but a normal amount of ICE vehicles on the lot. Compared to other dealerships the local Toyota lot looks like a mall parking lot three hours after closing.

[PJungnitsch]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

They can't even supply the market with a base Corolla .

Yeah, we would have strongly considered a hybrid Corolla Cross instead of a Crosstrek but my stepdaughter was lucky to get even a non hybrid one. Basically inquired at a dealer just as one was coming off the truck

I'm curious how Ford would be doing if they would have taken the batteries and components that got put into the Mach E and Lightning and instead put them into their proven 4 cyl hybrid drivetrain.

Thinking AWD hybrid Mavericks/Bronco Sports/Escapes would be everywhere by now

[Seafoam]

So, is it that Toyota just can't supply demand or is it a shift in marketing strategy (supply fewer units at much bigger margins)

They can't supply the demand from everything I've read.

Hybrid sales up 40 percent year over year. Plug in up 90 percent YoY.

Tough to keep up with that type of surge in demand.

They can't even supply the market with a base Corolla .

That's what i was wondering about. It's not like when I drive by my local dealer they have no hybrids but a normal amount of ICE vehicles on the lot. Compared to other dealerships the local Toyota lot looks like a mall parking lot three hours after closing.

Yup. That 's why I 'm driving  a Civic .I started out seeking a Corolla Hybrid.. Couldn't get one in a timely fashion. Was going to settle on a regular Corolla. 8-12 month wait for one of those. Same for the Mazda 3. Ended up finding  a dealer that had  a Civic not spoken for and was arriving in a month and  a half. Grabbed it. I wonder how many consumers that wanted  a Toyota have given up on that brand and went with something else. When I see Toyota announcements now I  put them on ignore. Who cares if you have the latest and greatest you can't supply.
TOYOTA is dead to me.

[Serniter]

Here, in Dallas, be prepared to pay $10,000 more for a Sienna XLE compared with an Odyssey EX-L. There’s no comparison in terms of inventory: 327 Odysseys vs 66 Siennas.

[warp]

It looks like overwhelming global demand for Toyota relative to others. Toyota remains the largest global producer ahead of VW Group YTD September 2023 and yet their vehicles (hybrid but also regular ICE) are in short supply:

World Car Group Ranking in 2023 is dominated by Toyota (+4.9%) which maintains still a significant distance from the runner up Volkswagen (+9.4%). Ford overtakes Honda Motor in YTD sales.
This report is produced extracting the registrations figures from the Global Database owned by our team, which track registrations i 159 countries, all brands, all models.

Looking at cumulative data up to September 2023, the leadership is solid in the hands of Toyota Group (data for all OEMs does not includes HCV and Buss, so Hino is not included under Toyota) which sold 7.90 million vehicles (+4.9%), losing 5.2% Africa, gaining 6.5% in the Asia and 9.1% in Europe.

The second is Volkswagen Group with 6.50 million sales (+9.4%) growing sharply in America (+13.9%) and Europe (+22.6%).

In third ranks Stellantis, with 5.50 million sales (+6.0%). It lost substantial sales in Asia (-15.4%), while growth was reported in Europe (+13.5%).

Hyundai-Kia maintains 4th spot reporting 5.23 million sales and a 3.9% increase in sales. This growth was sustained by surges in America (+8.3%) and Asia (+4.5%)

In 5th spot the Renault Nissan Alliance accumulates 5.03 million sales (+3.7%). The struggle in Asia (-18.3%) and Africa (-8.2%) is compensated by growths in both Americas (+19.8%) and Europe (+20.2%).

Behind, General Motors with 4.36 million sales (+0.9%) followed by Ford with 3.05 million units sold (+6.7%).

Honda Motor ranks in 8th with 2.88 million new registrations (-0.6%), losing both in Europe (-11.8%) and Asia (-15.8%).

In 9th place Suzuki with 2.02 million sales is up 6.0% sustained mainly by a +5.0% in Asia.

In 10th place ranks the first premium group, BMW with 1.97 million sales (+11.8%)

https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-group-ranking/

[sailor723]

I've never owned a Toyota (although looked pretty closely at a Highlander and a 4Runner one time) so maybe I just don't get it........but none of their offerings do much for me. 

[PJungnitsch]

Thinking Toyota hits the mark a lot harder with vehicles aimed at the regular market than the luxury stuff, especially as their hybrid gamble worked out so well

The shortages do give other makes a chance, so far I'm happy we got redirected to Subaru

[ArticSteve]

Interested to see how well it sells..

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/09/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-awd/

It will sell like any Toyota except for the Crown.  It will be a mild AWD.  Enough to get up unplowed driveways/unstuck in street parking snow.  The things that really annoy people. Women will go for it everytime.  Probably only $2500 extra charge.

Only a few two years ago Toyota was being lambasted as a loser for not going all EV.  Well, well, well, have the tables ever turned.

[warp]

Interested to see how well it sells..

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/11/09/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-awd/

It will sell like any Toyota except for the Crown.  It will be a mild AWD.  Enough to get up unplowed driveways/unstuck in street parking snow.  The things that really annoy people. Women will go for it everytime.  Probably only $2500 extra charge.

Only a few two years ago Toyota was being lambasted as a loser for not going all EV.  Well, well, well, have the tables ever turned.

Even the hottest selling EV, the Tesla Model 3 is available off the shelf; a friend wandered into the Tesla sales outlet in Yorkdale Mall in Toronto the other day, with no intention of buying anything and casually asked about delivery schedules for a Model 3. The response was, ' You can take delivery tomorrow"!! I can only imagine the plight of other lesser EV brands. In contrast Toyota hybrids have a months/years long wait list!!

It looks like inspite of all the Government hard sell, incentives to the EV industry and EV buyers, and disincentives to ICE such as the carbon tax, consumers are voting with their feet and wallets for hybrids and ICE.

[rrocket]

It looks like inspite of all the Government hard sell, incentives to the EV industry and EV buyers, and disincentives to ICE such as the carbon tax, consumers are voting with their feet and wallets for hybrids and ICE.

I think EVs make sense for a narrow group of people.

Hybrids make sense for a much larger swath of people.

[EV Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvnH5MDg6s

It's here.

[Serniter]

A good update to the current generation. I like the C pillar of the current generation better, but otherwise this new version looks good.

[rrocket]

A good update to the current generation. I like the C pillar of the current generation better, but otherwise this new version looks good.

Sad to see the V6 go...but was inevitable.