Topic: 2021 Nissan 400Z

[JohnnyMac]

I have to agree that Nissan really needs this to be good.  Other than the GT-R there isn't really much excitement from their product range.  I just hope this Z isn't too expensive as I feel like the Supra is priced too high for what you get.

[UnknownJinX]

So uh, where is the GT-R in that ad? Is it implying it's being killed off or is it saying it's not gonna be updated for a little while?

I have to agree that Nissan really needs this to be good.  Other than the GT-R there isn't really much excitement from their product range.  I just hope this Z isn't too expensive as I feel like the Supra is priced too high for what you get.

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Curious how this will stack up, though. Would like to see one in person in the near future. I am not really a Nissan fan but this still looks nice.

[JohnnyMac]

So uh, where is the GT-R in that ad? Is it implying it's being killed off or is it saying it's not gonna be updated for a little while?

I have to agree that Nissan really needs this to be good.  Other than the GT-R there isn't really much excitement from their product range.  I just hope this Z isn't too expensive as I feel like the Supra is priced too high for what you get.

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Curious how this will stack up, though. Would like to see one in person in the near future. I am not really a Nissan fan but this still looks nice.

I tend to think at the $30K price point the Nissan 370Z offers the most performance for your dollars, but at the $40K mark no one beats the Americans.  Would be nice if the new Z competed with the Americans in both performance and price.

[Jaeger]

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Not every purchase is driven by the desire to obtain maximum horsepower for the dollar.  It's why cars like the Miata still exist.  And why the Supra exists again (sort of).  Not to mention the whole world of hot hatches.  Pony car isn't the only solution to the fun-to-drive toy equation.  I'm pretty glad there will continue to be an additional alternative in the Z.

[dirtyjeffer]

from the limited views we have the new Z, i think it actually looks quite good.

[Arthur Dent]

I think headlights are the hardest thing to get right on a retro design. Especially with pedestrian safety standards. The Challenger did well on this point.

[UnknownJinX]

So uh, where is the GT-R in that ad? Is it implying it's being killed off or is it saying it's not gonna be updated for a little while?

I have to agree that Nissan really needs this to be good.  Other than the GT-R there isn't really much excitement from their product range.  I just hope this Z isn't too expensive as I feel like the Supra is priced too high for what you get.

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Curious how this will stack up, though. Would like to see one in person in the near future. I am not really a Nissan fan but this still looks nice.

I tend to think at the $30K price point the Nissan 370Z offers the most performance for your dollars, but at the $40K mark no one beats the Americans.  Would be nice if the new Z competed with the Americans in both performance and price.

That's true, though some people might complain that the new Z is less friendly for people looking at that price range. Oh well, can't make everyone happy.

I am also very curious about the interior. It has been Nissan's weak point historically.

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Not every purchase is driven by the desire to obtain maximum horsepower for the dollar.  It's why cars like the Miata still exist.  And why the Supra exists again (sort of).  Not to mention the whole world of hot hatches.  Pony car isn't the only solution to the fun-to-drive toy equation.  I'm pretty glad there will continue to be an additional alternative in the Z.

Well, the comment I was quoting sure sounds like performance per buck.

To give Japanese credit, Miata is a convertible which naturally adds cost, and being lightweight also isn't cheap. This is on top of the craftsmanship you get on these made in Japan cars. I sat in a Miata before and it feels well made and even a little luxurious. American cars are pretty sloppily put together in comparison and I don't get that luxury feel, so there is that. Mazda also looks good, especially in the Soul Red colour.

Hot hatches are kind of a different area IMO. Their practicality alone can make a world of difference.

But yes, competition is always good and we as customers benefit from it.

Edit: now that you mentioned Miata, am I the only one thinking the new Z's front looks a bit like the ND?

[Triple Bob]

If you want value, just get American. Nothing else will beat American ponies when it comes to bang for the buck.

Not every purchase is driven by the desire to obtain maximum horsepower for the dollar.  It's why cars like the Miata still exist.  And why the Supra exists again (sort of).  Not to mention the whole world of hot hatches.  Pony car isn't the only solution to the fun-to-drive toy equation.  I'm pretty glad there will continue to be an additional alternative in the Z.

This.

I remember sitting in the fifth gen Camaro and thinking, no matter how powerful or cheap I could never live with this interior. Sixth gen is way nicer.  But as Roger says, I would prefer a lower powered car if it came with a nicer interior or better handling. There are many trade offs.

[UnknownJinX]

I think many folks want high performance with efficiency, style, decent fit and finish, and a car they can see out of.

Well, I didn't say Camaro specifically if you want to complain about visibility. Just said American.

Besides, 370Z has some complaints about rear visibility. Just saying.

Uh, interior quality?  Not sure GM is at the top of the game there either....

At least it doesn't look dated. 370Z interior was totally fine when it came out. I owned cars from that era(late 00s) and they all are like that. For a modern vehicle, though, the millions of buttons in the centre console just look busy and unnecessary. Leave the climate control, audio volume and favourites/presets as physical buttons, toss everything else in the iPad. I don't touch any of the other audio crap 99.9% of the time anyway, and with Apple CarPlay/Android Auto, I don't imagine many others do, either.

[Jaeger]

Can't tell much from the video, but the front end looks better to me than a lot of the renderings, and at least it's confirmed!

https://youtu.be/aiqOLRJi7nU

Loving the profile!

[Jaeger]

I think many folks want high performance with efficiency, style, decent fit and finish, and a car they can see out of.

Well, I didn't say Camaro specifically if you want to complain about visibility. Just said American.

Besides, 370Z has some complaints about rear visibility. Just saying.

Uh, interior quality?  Not sure GM is at the top of the game there either....

At least it doesn't look dated. 370Z interior was totally fine when it came out. I owned cars from that era(late 00s) and they all are like that. For a modern vehicle, though, the millions of buttons in the centre console just look busy and unnecessary. Leave the climate control, audio volume and favourites/presets as physical buttons, toss everything else in the iPad. I don't touch any of the other audio crap 99.9% of the time anyway, and with Apple CarPlay/Android Auto, I don't imagine many others do, either.

Well, we're discussing the 400z - and nobody knows what that interior will look like.  There is precisely zero chance that Nissan will recycle the old (and yes, very dated) 370z interior so that's a pretty meaningless reference point.  I wouldn't say interiors are a notable weakness among contemporary Nissans any more so than a great many mainstream brands. 

[Railton]

Noticeably absent is the GT-R.
My guess is the next commercial will have it fill in the middle slot.
Railton

[dirtyjeffer]

Noticeably absent is the GT-R.
My guess is the next commercial will have it fill in the middle slot.
Railton

the GT-R is too fast...it already crossed the finish line 48 seconds before...it basically lapped everything else they sell. 

[Railton]

Noticeably absent is the GT-R.
My guess is the next commercial will have it fill in the middle slot.
Railton

the GT-R is too fast...it already crossed the finish line 48 seconds before...it basically lapped everything else they sell. 

Ahhh....good point.
Railton

[Bubba]

Noticeably absent is the GT-R.
My guess is the next commercial will have it fill in the middle slot.
Railton

Doesn't the video feature upcoming new vehicles only?  The GT-R may not have any planned updates.

[UnknownJinX]

I think many folks want high performance with efficiency, style, decent fit and finish, and a car they can see out of.

Well, I didn't say Camaro specifically if you want to complain about visibility. Just said American.

Besides, 370Z has some complaints about rear visibility. Just saying.

Uh, interior quality?  Not sure GM is at the top of the game there either....

At least it doesn't look dated. 370Z interior was totally fine when it came out. I owned cars from that era(late 00s) and they all are like that. For a modern vehicle, though, the millions of buttons in the centre console just look busy and unnecessary. Leave the climate control, audio volume and favourites/presets as physical buttons, toss everything else in the iPad. I don't touch any of the other audio crap 99.9% of the time anyway, and with Apple CarPlay/Android Auto, I don't imagine many others do, either.

Well, we're discussing the 400z - and nobody knows what that interior will look like.  There is precisely zero chance that Nissan will recycle the old (and yes, very dated) 370z interior so that's a pretty meaningless reference point.  I wouldn't say interiors are a notable weakness among contemporary Nissans any more so than a great many mainstream brands.

If Nissan has a competent interior in their other cars, then I can't imagine it being too bad in the new Z.

That said, I recall seeing a Nissan Sentra Spec V on display once, and man, just looking at that interior from the outside, it's not good. That manual trans shift knob looks like it's out of a 90s car. Of course, I haven't sat in other Nissan cars so I don't know how their other cars are, so we will have to wait and see.

[Davep]

I hope they produce a NA engine version as well. Something equivalent to the 370Z, that you can wind up to redline and appreciate the process. So I'm really not interested in a torque monster twin turbo with piped in sound.

The current 370Z shell doesn't do it for me, but if the new Z has more retro lines, then I may be interested. I had a 240Z and a 280Z, and have always thought about getting another Z. But if the new one is a bloated fraud, then I'd prefer to spend $40,000 for an original on BAT than $40,000 for a new one..

[dirtyjeffer]

while not likely,  a nice long nosed sleek new Z would be great...throw in an inline 6 (nod to the past) and call it a day...and make it $35k (or whatever a V6 Mustang sold for)...the old Z cars used to be pretty affordable, no reason they can't make them like that again...they don't all have to be Ferrari fighters for $125k.

[ArticSteve]

ya and don't forget the 14 inch wheels and 185 mm tires. 

[me_2]

while not likely,  a nice long nosed sleek new Z would be great...throw in an inline 6 (nod to the past) and call it a day...and make it $35k (or whatever a V6 Mustang sold for)...the old Z cars used to be pretty affordable, no reason they can't make them like that again...they don't all have to be Ferrari fighters for $125k.

Or something +/- in line with 2022 Toyota GR86 (except 2.4T) ?