Topic: 737 MAX in the news again

[Bubba]

Spotted this on Flightradar24 around 12:30 am, Monday.  Sunwing flight diverted to Winnipeg.

Plane issue or passenger issue?

Hard to say.....possibilities include aircraft issues, medical emergency onboard, destination weather or a passenger misbehaving. These sun destination charter flights can be pretty boozy.
It would be interesting to see if there is anything in the local Winnipeg media in the next day or so.

Nothing in the news this morning. 

[bridgecity]

And focused more on share prices then building great planes

Some of it seemed to be a consequence of Boeing taking over McDonnell-Douglas, as somehow those execs managed to take over Boeing instead:

https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merger-led-to-the-737-max-crisis

I've also read that some of the hotshot MBA's who drove GE into the ground ended up in Boeing senior management.

https://www.managerism.org/images/Thinkpiece38-Boeing-Part2.pdf

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardaboulafia/2021/11/10/ge-is-breaking-apart-is-boeing-next/?sh=54dec52d7332

[rrocket]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ignore-the-nutty-conspiracies-mh370-was-likely-a-zombie-flight?ref=home

[sailor723]

737 Max 8 gear collapse after landing

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/news/united-airlines-plane-rolls-off-runway-in-houston/ar-BB1jzaEW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d508a8cec2834eb6a1a0c69304d369de&ei=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryS6w9b6OlE

Many things could cause a gear collapse and this may turn out to be as simple as a pilot missing a turn and going onto soft ground.. However, given all the controversy you have to wonder about design/build quality and assembly issues every time you see an incident involving a Max and a part or system failure.

[PJungnitsch]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ignore-the-nutty-conspiracies-mh370-was-likely-a-zombie-flight?ref=home

That was interesting, loss of oxygen and a 'zombie flight'. Had not heard that before

[tortoise]

I'm flying to Vancouver in April, have the 737 Max on both legs.  Maybe I'll stay out of this thread.

[Gurgie]

I'm flying to Vancouver in April, have the 737 Max on both legs.  Maybe I'll stay out of this thread.

We did the same last week when we flew out to Vancouver, 737max both ways. Actually the same plane took us to Kelowna as well. Then on the way back from Kelowna to Vancouver we took a good old Dash 8.

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[sailor723]

I'm flying to Vancouver in April, have the 737 Max on both legs.  Maybe I'll stay out of this thread.

I read several stories after the Alaska Air incident of people deliberately choosing flights to avoid a Max and accounts of people getting off after they discovered their aircraft had been replaced with a Max at the last minute.

I know that Ed Pierson, a Boeing manager of the Max program who became a whistleblower and testified to Congress,  refuses to fly on one.

I’ve flown the Max a couple of times but I admit I was a bit uneasy. This was after the two year grounding but before the Air Alaska incident and the recent revelations of continuing assembly line problems and quality control  issues.

[Bubba]

I'm flying to Vancouver in April, have the 737 Max on both legs.  Maybe I'll stay out of this thread.

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My non-stop to Phoenix is a Boeing 737 MAX 8.  I hope no stops are added.   

[rrocket]

And he's dead...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-found-dead-of-apparent-suicide-after-testifying-against-company?ref=home

[sailor723]

And he's dead...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-found-dead-of-apparent-suicide-after-testifying-against-company?ref=home

Different guy than I was referring to....

https://www.edpierson.com/

‘I’m Not Trying to Cause a Scene. I Just Want to Get Off This Plane.’
A former senior Boeing employee on why he still won’t fly on a MAX plane.      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/former-boeing-employee-speaks-out-00142948#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20Ed%20Pierson%20decided,superiors%20but%20retired%20soon%20after.


edit

See that the DOJ has launched a criminal investigation into Boeing now......

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/video/business-report-boeing-facing-criminal-investigation/vi-BB1jIH6u?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=34c94fcd4d0e429aa3b7a8a66df7fcaa&ei=18#details

[OliverD]

‘I’m Not Trying to Cause a Scene. I Just Want to Get Off This Plane.’
A former senior Boeing employee on why he still won’t fly on a MAX plane.      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/former-boeing-employee-speaks-out-00142948#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20Ed%20Pierson%20decided,superiors%20but%20retired%20soon%20after.

That guy sounds like an attention seeking kook. I don't see how someone like him wouldn't know he's on a MAX until he sees the safety card.

Coincidentally, I flew on a MAX for the first time the other day. Flight was fine, but I found the A319 I was on right before more comfortable.

[sailor723]

‘I’m Not Trying to Cause a Scene. I Just Want to Get Off This Plane.’
A former senior Boeing employee on why he still won’t fly on a MAX plane.      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/26/former-boeing-employee-speaks-out-00142948#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20Ed%20Pierson%20decided,superiors%20but%20retired%20soon%20after.

That guy sounds like an attention seeking kook. I don't see how someone like him wouldn't know he's on a MAX until he sees the safety card.

Coincidentally, I flew on a MAX for the first time the other day. Flight was fine, but I found the A319 I was on right before more comfortable.

Yeah, I think with any whistleblower you have to wonder about whether they are being straight or have an ax to grind.

OTOH, it's not like there aren't plenty of examples of big corporations putting profits above public health or safety and/or trying to coverup bad behavior so it's hardly a stretch to believe Boeing may be doing something wrong.

 I just saw a video of the NTSB Chair testifying before a senate hearing last Wednesday. She was pretty blunt about Boeing's lack of co-operation with their investigation into the Air Alaska incident. They are finding a lot of work being done by contractors rather than Boeing employees and in some cases being contracted out by those contractors an additional time to another tier of contract employees from yet a third party.

Fake news and the internet has us all being a lot less willing to take things at face value these days.  It's good to be skeptical but I think you have to believe somebody sometime. 

[sailor723]

787 this time.....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/investing/boeing-is-in-big-trouble/index.html?utm_source=business_ribbon

[PJungnitsch]

787 this time.....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/investing/boeing-is-in-big-trouble/index.html?utm_source=business_ribbon

Ouch. This article from a year ago certainly hasn't aged well:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-4-tough-years-can-boeing-break-through-the-clouds/

And key airline customers are exhibiting faith in Boeing’s future. Local carrier Alaska Airlines has placed a big bet on the jetmaker’s recovery.

[rrocket]

Yeah, I think with any whistleblower you have to wonder about whether they are being straight or have an ax to grind.

It can be both!

I have loads of dirt on my former employer!

[sailor723]

Another Boeing whistleblower. This time raising questions about long-term structural integrity of 787 and 777 aircraft due to assembly shortcuts adding stress to fuselage joints.
Doesn't sound like an immediate safety issue but more like they could develop structural issues before they reach their design lifespan.   

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/investing/boeing-safety-problems/index.html

[sailor723]

Cue the conspiracy theorists......."Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: ‘Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action.’" 

 https://globalnews.ca/news/10465319/boeing-whistleblower-joshua-dean-dead-737-max/

[rrocket]

Cue the conspiracy theorists......."Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: ‘Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action.’" 

 https://globalnews.ca/news/10465319/boeing-whistleblower-joshua-dean-dead-737-max/

So instead of shooting him or a car bomb..or other.....the assassins used MRSA?

Ok....

[sailor723]

I know right?