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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 12:52:31 pm »
Hopefully it wasn't  a flood car.
Was it a US car Ron that a previous owner imported? It would have had a salvage history then. Possibly even a Toronto car, we've had some good flooding in the past few years.
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 01:04:40 pm »
There was a flood in Gatineau last year. But it was localized to a small area.

I doubt that's the issue though. Seems to me it's more of an almost eleven year old Audi thing.
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2018, 01:06:55 pm »
Hopefully it wasn't  a flood car.
Was it a US car Ron that a previous owner imported? It would have had a salvage history then. Possibly even a Toronto car, we've had some good flooding in the past few years.
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No flood history.

Just crap German engineering (needlessly complex) and poor quality control IMO....

Here's a good example. A simple power window. I was just looking to see how they work on the TT.  I kid you not...a series of pulleys and cables.....what could possibly go wrong? It's no surprise then that these are a common failure on the car.
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2018, 01:37:17 pm »
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2018, 01:42:33 pm »
Hopefully it wasn't  a flood car.
Was it a US car Ron that a previous owner imported? It would have had a salvage history then. Possibly even a Toronto car, we've had some good flooding in the past few years.
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No flood history.

Just crap German engineering (needlessly complex) and poor quality control IMO....

Here's a good example. A simple power window. I was just looking to see how they work on the TT.  I kid you not...a series of pulleys and cables.....what could possibly go wrong? It's no surprise then that these are a common failure on the car.

How is it that if you buy some crappy, base model Corolla or Rio, the expectation is that you should get a few hundred thousand KMs out of them without headaches. You buy a fancy, $100k German car and you have the same expectation of quality and reliability as a cheap I phone knockoff from wish.com?? How do people just accept that?? Like I get TT is a unique car being a manual, awd coupe....but for the most part, they don't make anything that awesome that makes compensates for the shoddy build quality.
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2018, 02:49:59 pm »
Just crap German engineering (needlessly complex) and poor quality control IMO....

Here's a good example. A simple power window. I was just looking to see how they work on the TT.  I kid you not...a series of pulleys and cables.....what could possibly go wrong? It's no surprise then that these are a common failure on the car.

For the record, the above was the type of thing I was referring to when I posted this:   ;D

https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=83295.msg1397714#msg1397714

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2018, 02:53:45 pm »
Wow - that is a lot annoying issues. Our crap-box 2003 Civic has less issues.  :rofl2:


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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2018, 05:37:15 pm »
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2018, 05:56:22 pm »
Spoke to some brothers that own a specialist German car garage.  They remembered me from my Supra days.

They seem confident we can sort the electrical issues with a remote tech session with Ross Tech.  Basically, they'll plug the car in and the data will be transmitted real-time to Ross-Tech and they'll diagnose the issue.  For those that don't know, Ross Tech makes the VAG-COM diagnostic tools.

It's $60 USD to make the phone call, then the garage's hourly rate afterwards.

Also about the power window...when asked how many they've replaced on VW/Audis he said "hundreds".  :o When asked how many TTs he's replaced.  "None".  Really?  "Yea...I really don't have any TT customers".   :rofl:  Cost to fix?  $350 for the "window regulator" and 1 hour labor.
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2018, 06:14:40 pm »
When you spread all these maintenance costs between your 3 vehicles it's really not that bad.

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2018, 06:40:39 pm »
When you spread all these maintenance costs between your 3 vehicles it's really not that bad.

That's not how it's supposed to work though.   :rofl:

Or maybe it is though?

But a FGC and buy a Prius so the reliability costs cancel out?

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2018, 07:10:44 pm »
When you spread all these maintenance costs between your 3 vehicles it's really not that bad.

That's not how it's supposed to work though.   :rofl:

Or maybe it is though?

But a FGC and buy a Prius so the reliability costs cancel out?

You still have the headaches though. Don't you have better ways to spend your time ?
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2018, 07:49:38 pm »
The thing that drives me the most nuts about German cars is the intertwined systems that make it so hard to sort out issues.  Even going back to 1998 my C-Class and E-Class both had CAN-BUS systems that made diagnosis of electrical issues really hard.  It also tended to mean an issue could cascade, causing expensive damage that you would have thought the system would be protected against.  An example was the drivers front door airbag went kaput on the C230, but that failure causes an overload of the main SRS computer which can then cascade to other modules.  I was fortunate as I "only" had to replace the airbag and the main SRS computer.  My tech had another car in that had also cooked the ECU controlling all door/window and so on functions and some other stuff too.  Cripes.  My bill was $1700, the poor other dude's was $4000.

My aunt bought a W203 C320 and what a nightmare car.  Going to MBCA events and hearing the experiences of ML and W220 S-Class owners convinced me that Mercedes had basically thrown in the towel on making solid and reliable automobiles.

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2018, 08:00:41 pm »
The thing that drives me the most nuts about German cars is the intertwined systems that make it so hard to sort out issues.  Even going back to 1998 my C-Class and E-Class both had CAN-BUS systems that made diagnosis of electrical issues really hard.  It also tended to mean an issue could cascade, causing expensive damage that you would have thought the system would be protected against.  An example was the drivers front door airbag went kaput on the C230, but that failure causes an overload of the main SRS computer which can then cascade to other modules.  I was fortunate as I "only" had to replace the airbag and the main SRS computer.  My tech had another car in that had also cooked the ECU controlling all door/window and so on functions and some other stuff too.  Cripes.  My bill was $1700, the poor other dude's was $4000.

My aunt bought a W203 C320 and what a nightmare car.  Going to MBCA events and hearing the experiences of ML and W220 S-Class owners convinced me that Mercedes had basically thrown in the towel on making solid and reliable automobiles.

Yep...

If you get a "low oil" fault on an Audi...it's likely the hood latch sensor.  No joke.   :rofl2: :rofl:

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2018, 08:49:42 pm »
I keep waiting for the FGC shoe to drop on the Golf. It's still young.

That said, the Mk7 has a decent reputation and is a basic car by FGC standards.

Good luck with the TT. I think they're great looking cars with a nice interior.  And like you said, manual AWD coupes just don't exist.

Isn’t the Golf actually the least reliable vehicle in the VW line up? I thought that’s what CR thought anyways.


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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2018, 09:27:03 pm »
Pretty sure that crown goes to the Tiguan or Atlas.

Looking through the forums, there aren't a ton of complaints.

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2018, 09:27:55 pm »
IQ just texted me...window is working again!   :rofl: :rofl2:

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2018, 09:31:03 pm »
IQ just texted me...window is working again!   :rofl: :rofl2:

Which may have changed by now...

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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2018, 08:41:45 am »
It's threads like these that make me wonder - what has our family done right that our FGCs are reliable ?  ???. No really, since about a decade ago we've only had BMWs and VW group products and they've been fine. The 2010 X5 diesel had teething problems the first 6 months then smoothed out (was my father's lease). My dad's 2013 VW Tiguan is approaching 150k without issue.

That said, 10 years (about 220k km) is about the point where the original equipment starts falling apart from wear-and-tear......bringing with it the costs of repair. But 10 years is pretty good for our standards. After that I'd swap cars.......that's the lifespan I'm willing to go for on a FGC- not that I'd buy one again.

Having lived here now, I will say that "tying everything together" seems to be a German mentality because they think it makes things easier. "Oh, with just one input, everything is accomplished ! Very simple ! "
My response: "But when something doesn't work, it takes hours to figure out"
*blank stare* "No, it is easier, because you only need to have one input, the rest is linked....."
"No, you don't understand, it's harder to troubleshoot when it goes wrong.......you don't know what is causing an error"  :banghead:
*blank stare*

I do wish you luck with sorting out the TT, although it is disturbing but I guess not unexpected given the rarity of your vehicle in Canada. Parts probably won't be cheap either...... :(

If it makes you feel better, I have a Peugeot and it's been fine. But generally speaking, French cars make German cars look reliable !  :P (The good thing is that they can be generally driven half-broken though)
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Re: RRocket's FGC Thread Extravaganza
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2018, 09:03:02 am »
Here's a good example. A simple power window. I was just looking to see how they work on the TT.  I kid you not...a series of pulleys and cables.....what could possibly go wrong? It's no surprise then that these are a common failure on the car.

Aren't all power window actuators cables and pulleys?
All the ones I've changed were, but they were mostly on FGCs
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