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The car market is turning.
« on: January 17, 2023, 12:54:15 am »
It's coming. I want $10k on the hood of  a Ridgeline and no more $40k HRVs lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2CyasXG1Y


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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2023, 01:30:00 am »
It's a strange time in car world. Ford has inventory again and is starting to shave $$ off MSRP and lower interest rates, GM is about the same, sales for both brands in my area are strong. Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales. Toyota dealers are sold out for the entire calendar year for the most part already on hot models. Honda has zip for new inventory still. The koreans have no trouble moving their entry level products but seem to be having problems selling their more expensive SUV's. The luxury brands are slow (save for Lexus) Teslas are a absolute dumpster fire in the used market, people are trading in and dealers can't hardly give the things away. Some aren't even getting bids at auction, or the bids are 10-40K+ less than ask. Anything PHEV is in high demand. Anything BEV is sitting. Saw a "no sale" of a Lightning Lariat the other day for $91,800...same truck was $110,000+ in september. High end diesel trucks were dismal in Nov/Dec but for some reason have picked back up and gained lost value in January. People are buying again, the shock of 8+% APR's seems to be fizzling out? 

I see the numbers daily and can't even try to predict what 2023 will bring. Everyone is just trying to roll with the punches at this point.

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2023, 08:35:42 am »
Tesla cutting new car prices by up to 20% will do wonders for resale value  ::) Musk is jumping the shark - stocks are falling (it hit 115 USD yesterday) and inventory is increasing.
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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2023, 10:19:37 am »
It's coming. I want $10k on the hood of  a Ridgeline and no more $40k HRVs lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2CyasXG1Y

haha.  I want 10K off a new Tundra or low 40s for a Ram1500 3.6 with some decent options
« Last Edit: January 17, 2023, 10:24:20 am by WP v3.32 »

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2023, 10:20:54 am »
Tesla cutting new car prices by up to 20% will do wonders for resale value  ::) Musk is jumping the shark - stocks are falling (it hit 115 USD yesterday) and inventory is increasing.

Other companies had ADM, Tesla had inflated list prices. Ultimately it's the same thing.  ;D

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2023, 10:23:03 am »
Tesla cutting new car prices by up to 20% will do wonders for resale value  ::) Musk is jumping the shark - stocks are falling (it hit 115 USD yesterday) and inventory is increasing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSl5lmsEhyU



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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2023, 10:23:38 am »
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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2023, 10:30:28 am »
It's coming. I want $10k on the hood of  a Ridgeline and no more $40k HRVs lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2CyasXG1Y

the Auctions he's talking about I assume it's in the USA?   any similar auctions here in Canada?

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2023, 10:34:36 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2023, 10:41:49 am »
Wheaton Honda in Edmonton has a Touring version of the Ridgeline for sale with some undercoating, xpel (half way up the hood), and other BS, and is asking $69K +GST. About a $10K markup (?) for $2K woth of additions.

It has been sitting there for 11 months.

My B in L has been trying to negotiate with them but no go.  At some point, the dealer floorpan interest paid will be too much I suspect.

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2023, 10:44:55 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

They all are (or are they?).... How do you feel about a $40K Honda HR-V?

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 10:50:42 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

Production of the Cherokee is winding down and its US plant is scheduled to close (whatever replaces it will be made in Mexico). Stellantis has slashed trims and options for 2023, only keeping the turbo engine and the top two trims in awd, at least for the American market. The 2023 is not on the Canadian configurator yet, and we're in 2023...

Edit - the base 2.4 is also kept, only the V6 is dropped

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42362030/2023-jeep-cherokee-lineup-reduced/
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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2023, 10:58:07 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

Production of the Cherokee is winding down and its US plant is scheduled to close (whatever replaces it will be made in Mexico). Stellantis has slashed trims and options for 2023, only keeping the turbo engine and the top two trims in awd, at least for the American market. The 2023 is not on the Canadian configurator yet, and we're in 2023...

Edit - the base 2.4 is also kept, only the V6 is dropped

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42362030/2023-jeep-cherokee-lineup-reduced/

That sucks, the V6 was the only one worth considering. You buy that 2.4L Tigershark, or the the turbo 4, and you deserve every bit of what's coming to you  :rofl2:

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2023, 11:01:23 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

Production of the Cherokee is winding down and its US plant is scheduled to close (whatever replaces it will be made in Mexico). Stellantis has slashed trims and options for 2023, only keeping the turbo engine and the top two trims in awd, at least for the American market. The 2023 is not on the Canadian configurator yet, and we're in 2023...

Edit - the base 2.4 is also kept, only the V6 is dropped

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42362030/2023-jeep-cherokee-lineup-reduced/

That sucks, the V6 was the only one worth considering. You buy that 2.4L Tigershark, or the the turbo 4, and you deserve every bit of what's coming to you  :rofl2:

I liked my week in a Turbo Cherokee - thing was a hoot to drive in the snow, and I got better fuel economy than with the CR-V that followed right after it. Ownership may offer a different perspective though...

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2023, 11:06:44 am »
Stalantis has nearly no 2023's on ground (my large local dealer has 43 2022's and exactly 4 2023's in stock) these guys are really hurting for sales.

Starting to see some pretty decent discounts on the pickups around here, but $50,000 for a Cherokee still blows me away. Someone in corporate has delusions they are a premium brand?

Production of the Cherokee is winding down and its US plant is scheduled to close (whatever replaces it will be made in Mexico). Stellantis has slashed trims and options for 2023, only keeping the turbo engine and the top two trims in awd, at least for the American market. The 2023 is not on the Canadian configurator yet, and we're in 2023...

Edit - the base 2.4 is also kept, only the V6 is dropped

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42362030/2023-jeep-cherokee-lineup-reduced/

That sucks, the V6 was the only one worth considering. You buy that 2.4L Tigershark, or the the turbo 4, and you deserve every bit of what's coming to you  :rofl2:

I liked my week in a Turbo Cherokee - thing was a hoot to drive in the snow, and I got better fuel economy than with the CR-V that followed right after it. Ownership may offer a different perspective though...

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2023, 01:50:03 pm »
I keep noticing cars that I have interest in increasing in prices every few months (Caddy Blackwings, Supra, Vette, etc).  With inflation giving everyone less buying power I worry that by the time I'm ready to buy I'll be playing in a different class of sports cars and will have to settle for something less "special".  I don't have a whole lot of confidence that mine or my wife's work will magically adjust our wages to reflect the change in the cost of living. 

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2023, 02:08:33 pm »
I keep noticing cars that I have interest in increasing in prices every few months (Caddy Blackwings, Supra, Vette, etc).  With inflation giving everyone less buying power I worry that by the time I'm ready to buy I'll be playing in a different class of sports cars and will have to settle for something less "special".  I don't have a whole lot of confidence that mine or my wife's work will magically adjust our wages to reflect the change in the cost of living.

Just be ready to buy when the whole thing implodes.


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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2023, 02:31:36 pm »
I keep noticing cars that I have interest in increasing in prices every few months (Caddy Blackwings, Supra, Vette, etc).  With inflation giving everyone less buying power I worry that by the time I'm ready to buy I'll be playing in a different class of sports cars and will have to settle for something less "special".  I don't have a whole lot of confidence that mine or my wife's work will magically adjust our wages to reflect the change in the cost of living.

Just be ready to buy when the whole thing implodes.
I think Johnny wants to buy new, not sure how much implosion will happen in the new market. But I do agree with you about being ready on the used side!! My youngest finally got around to getting his learners permit, next step is driving school & then G2 license. Thankfully that won't happen until late summer (and he turns 18 at the same time roughly), so hopefully by then I'll be able to find him a $2k car like I did for his older brother :rofl:

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2023, 02:57:03 pm »
There's a local chain of used car dealers that claims they've cut prices on over 250 vehicles for a total of over $1M in cuts. Just a few examples:

$12k off a 2020 Ram 2500
$11k off a 2020 JGC SRT
$10k off a 2017 Escalade
$12k off a 2018 Mustang GT
$13k off a 2019 Mustang EB convertible
$10k off a 2018 Macan
$11k off a 2020 Leaf

etc etc etc

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Re: The car market is turning.
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2023, 03:33:57 pm »
Watched a dealer sell two Tesla’s yesterday for $43,000 less than what his buy in was. That’s a big pill. Lots of dealerships are going to be seeing some decent losses coming up.


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