Topic: 2022 F-150 Lightning

[Great_Big_Abyss]

^^^  You're so smart.  We all wish we could be just like you.  We bow down to you, O Superior One. 

[BWII]

Seems like a better idea for a new build.

I believe they are mandatory here in MB on new builds.  When my kid looked at a new build it had it, realty guy said it had to. 

If you want to save some real money, get a new high efficiency gas furnace vs a 20 (or more) year old gas furnace.  Now THAT there is some real savings that pays itself off quick.  IIR it was less than 3 yrs in how much our heating bill dropped that the new furnace was paid for, I was shocked. Unless you live in a city where a furnace install is more than double what mine was (yay for small towns again!  ).  Then the ROI is a bit longer. Still worth it.  Friend replaced his e-furnace with gas a few years back...couldn't believe how much cheaper it was than the electric.  And 'nicer' heat, too.

[blur911]

You have to have a water tank heater to make that work, don't you?

Nope.  Drain water recovery is a system whereby it pre-heats the water being fed into the hot water heater, tankless or tank, doesn't matter.
We have a tankless water heater in fact.

Example : as we shower, the hot water that would normally just be wasted down the drain goes through a heat exchange which transfers 47% of that waste heat to incoming cold water input to the water heater.   Effectively, your water heating requirements are dropped in half for showers.   We only put the system on shower drains because those are the majority of our hot water use.  Again, due to good planning during the reno we ensured we separated the drains to ensure we caught only hot water through the system.

Due to 4 adults in the house, our payback is two years, see article, and our system looks identical to the picture.
https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/toronto-passive-some-thoughts-on-drainwater-heat-recovery

Interesting concept. Can't see it working on a two story very well as you need to wrap the drain near the shower drain. My master toilet, sinks, shower and tub all drain on one side for about 10' and then come together in one common drain. On the other side of the house the other two bathrooms  etc tie together in another drain system (Open house concept with no drain runs in middle of house. The cold line would need to run up two stories and then back down two stories to the water heater cold intake. That's a lot of extra line but the concept is solid.

Ya, I was looking at my stuff just now.

Seems like a better idea for a new build.

And with only 2 of us? Not sure it's worth it.

AFAIK, this is code for new houses in Ontario.  Builders hate it because depending on the house and septic, it can be near impossible to install and have work. (think septic line that goes out the basement 7 feet up a wall)   

[ktm525]

Seems like a better idea for a new build.

I believe they are mandatory here in MB on new builds.  When my kid looked at a new build it had it, realty guy said it had to. 

If you want to save some real money, get a new high efficiency gas furnace vs a 20 (or more) year old gas furnace.  Now THAT there is some real savings that pays itself off quick.  IIR it was less than 3 yrs in how much our heating bill dropped that the new furnace was paid for, I was shocked. Unless you live in a city where a furnace install is more than double what mine was (yay for small towns again!  ).  Then the ROI is a bit longer. Still worth it.  Friend replaced his e-furnace with gas a few years back...couldn't believe how much cheaper it was than the electric.  And 'nicer' heat, too.

Interesting. I have looked at the ROI of "upgrading" from mid efficiency to high efficiency many times and the numbers just don't work. Throw in the fact that high efficiency units are much more finicky requiring services, calibrations and cleanings more often and the return is just not there. Current natural gas pricing sitting at historic lows is not helping the case at all. The last time a fitter was in my place servicing my AC he said to hold onto my mids as long as I possibly can. I would save about $50/month so $600/year. New HE units for my place are about $12k. So 20 years with no time value of money calculation. Not at this time. 

[blur911]

Seems like a better idea for a new build.

I believe they are mandatory here in MB on new builds.  When my kid looked at a new build it had it, realty guy said it had to. 

If you want to save some real money, get a new high efficiency gas furnace vs a 20 (or more) year old gas furnace.  Now THAT there is some real savings that pays itself off quick.  IIR it was less than 3 yrs in how much our heating bill dropped that the new furnace was paid for, I was shocked. Unless you live in a city where a furnace install is more than double what mine was (yay for small towns again!  ).  Then the ROI is a bit longer. Still worth it.  Friend replaced his e-furnace with gas a few years back...couldn't believe how much cheaper it was than the electric.  And 'nicer' heat, too.

Interesting. I have looked at the ROI of "upgrading" from mid efficiency to high efficiency many times and the numbers just don't work. Throw in the fact that high efficiency units are much more finicky requiring services, calibrations and cleanings more often and the return is just not there. Current natural gas pricing sitting at historic lows is not helping the case at all. The last time a fitter was in my place servicing my AC he said to hold onto my mids as long as I possibly can. I would save about $50/month so $600/year. New HE units for my place are about $12k. So 20 years with no time value of money calculation. Not at this time. 

New furnaces also only last about 10 years, they weren't selling enough when they lasted 20

[Guy]

My water heater electricity cost is .50$ per day. Certainly not worth investing to improve efficiency.

[WP v3.32]

I just use the neighbor's garden hose when he's not looking for my monthly shower. Cost me 0$

[Guy]

I just use the neighbor's garden hose when he's not looking for my monthly shower. Cost me 0$

 

[tortoise]

So much for putting a price on dignity

[bye]

Testing out the camping charging system, namely the 14-50 extension cord and the Ford mobile charging cord 30A capability.
I figured, since I didn't have a 14-50 outlet handy at home, I'd use the Ford Pro Power to test it out !!


L14-30P connector plugged into the F150 Lightning bed 240V 30A outlet.
14-50 extension cord plugged into 14-30 to 14-50 connector.
Ford mobile charge station plugged into 14-50 cord.
Tesla charging using J1772 adaptor via Ford mobile cord at 30A 240V (7kW).
Ford Pro Power onboard enabled with minimum driving range of 85 km selected.
Ford truck “running”.

[bye]

Tested out the F150 Lightning ability to work on Tesla supercharger.
The A2Z adaptor was a tight fit to the Tesla charging cord, but I used the tried and true, force it till it fits method, ie, used the concrete pad as a brace and pressed the Tesla handle into the adaptor.
Used the Tesla app to initiate charging, plugged into truck and bingo, 80 kW of Tesla supercharged power at 77% state of charge on the truck.
Added 13 kWh in a few minutes at 60c/kWh.

For the upcoming road trip, I'll subscribe to the Tesla monthly charging plan to significantly reduce the rate:
https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/support/supercharging-other-evs#supercharging-membership

[ktm525]

Looks busy lol.

Here is my campground of choice. I don't see where to plug in. 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

This is probably his idea of camping:

[bridgecity]

To be fair, there's different types of uses for an RV.  Some tow it directly to a location, and park and stay for whatever amount of time, and then travel home.  Others use them for traveling, making multiple stops, with the destination not being one location.  The trailer is more of a mobile hotel.  I don't think bye's intent is to "go camping" with his unit.  More so to see the country. 

[ktm525]

Well you can tour in a nice 2 seater GT automobile and stay at quaint B&Bs or you can spend half your time in a KOA style parking lot parked cheek by jowl listening to your neighbours through paper thin walls  All in cost is likely the same.

[bridgecity]

Agreed, horses for courses and all that. 

[Allen]

He needed 3 parking spaces to complete  a charge 

[bridgecity]

He needed 3 parking spaces to complete  a charge 

When he's towing his trailer he'll take up a lot more than that  .  Unless he unhitches.

[rrocket]

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For the upcoming road trip, I'll subscribe to the Tesla monthly charging plan to significantly reduce the rate:

As pictured, if you had a trailer it might be problematic to charge with the parking limitations?

[Fobroader]

Looks busy lol.

Here is my campground of choice. I don't see where to plug in. 

That really looks like where I usually go camping, yeah, very little access to power.