Author Topic: Leaf or Focus Electric? (Read 22373 times)

Guy · « **Reply #140 on:** April 25, 2017, 01:53:35 pm »

Great! Have you seen or road tested the FFEV yet?

rrocket · « **Reply #141 on:** April 25, 2017, 02:02:55 pm »

Quote from: Guy on April 25, 2017, 01:53:35 pm

Great! Have you seen or road tested the FFEV yet?

Nope! No need, really. I've read it's not appreciably different from the standard Focus (which I've driven)...or any econobox for that matter.

me_2 · « **Reply #142 on:** April 28, 2017, 12:50:57 pm »

Quote from: rrocket on April 25, 2017, 01:19:30 pm

Alright! I've chosen my electrician. Great guy, enthusiastic. Came by today and decided having the charger outside will be easiest, most cost effective way. He also said "Please order charger with 6-50R" and encouraged me to order 40amp instead of 30 amp charger. This is the type of advice that was lacking from other electricians...that and them complaining about where I lived.

Detailed quote is expected in the next day or so. This will determine if I move forward with an EV or not.

So, any development on that side?

rrocket · « **Reply #143 on:** April 28, 2017, 12:59:26 pm »

Quote was $1600 tax in

me_2 · « **Reply #144 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:02:15 pm »

Would it be a go or no go? Unless you still shopping the EVSE? ... and the FFE?

rrocket · « **Reply #145 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:18:19 pm »

Quote from: me_2 on April 28, 2017, 01:02:15 pm

Would it be a go or no go? Unless you still shopping the EVSE? ... and the FFE?

I dunno...Still considering. Was hoping install would be closer to $1k before rebate. I called the rebate centre. Even if you buy the permit and get an EA inspection done (and it passes of course) you can't get any rebate if you install it yourself. Which sucks.

Then getting conflicting "advice" from EVSE manufacturers about this or that.

Thus far, the "best" company I've spoke to was Elmec, the Quebec company that makes EVDuty chargers. Great customer service. They also come factory with 6-50R plug.

But I'm not sure if we're going to pull the trigger. We're 50/50.

And the process is still a big PITA. And I've been on vacation for the last 2 weeks, so I've had tons of time.

me_2 · « **Reply #146 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:29:06 pm »

Thanks for sharing. Don't rush anything, give you some time to make your own opinion.

Quote from: rrocket on April 28, 2017, 01:18:19 pm

Then getting conflicting "advice" from EVSE manufacturers about this or that.

What on that point?

rrocket · « **Reply #147 on:** April 28, 2017, 01:56:41 pm »

Quote from: me_2 on April 28, 2017, 01:29:06 pm

Thanks for sharing. Don't rush anything, give you some time to make your own opinion.

Quote from: rrocket on April 28, 2017, 01:18:19 pm

Then getting conflicting "advice" from EVSE manufacturers about this or that.

What on that point?

All kinds of stuff. You DEFINITELY can't use a 6-50R plug outside...it will void the warranty, it's not safe, etc

Not sure if our cord will stay supple in cold weather, etc Stuff like that.

All kinds of stuff

Guy · « **Reply #148 on:** April 28, 2017, 08:10:31 pm »

Quote from: rrocket on April 28, 2017, 01:56:41 pm

Quote from: me_2 on April 28, 2017, 01:29:06 pm
Thanks for sharing. Don't rush anything, give you some time to make your own opinion.

Quote from: rrocket on April 28, 2017, 01:18:19 pm

Then getting conflicting "advice" from EVSE manufacturers about this or that.

What on that point?
All kinds of stuff. You DEFINITELY can't use a 6-50R plug outside...it will void the warranty, it's not safe, etc

Not sure if our cord will stay supple in cold weather, etc Stuff like that.

All kinds of stuff

I've got the Elmec. Not sure what you mean by "You DEFINITELY can't use a 6-50R plug outside...it will void the warranty, it's not safe, etc" Not safe??

My 6-50 plug is outside at the cottage. Not issues. The Elmec cable stay supple down to -30C never had an issue with that either. And yes, service is outstanding! When I had issues with the plug on mine, the president-owner of the company came home on a Sunday to exchange it.

me_2 · « **Reply #149 on:** April 29, 2017, 11:09:36 am »

Maybe time to have a chit chat with your electrician to clarify the point?

As per EVC30 online datasheet https://www.elmec.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EVduty-EVC30-Technical-Datasheet-EN-V1.pdf UL/CSA NEMA types 3R that Elmec EVSE seem to be available with 6-50P (or optional 14-50P).

Here is an example of 6-50R (receptacle) NEMA 3R
https://evandmore.com/products/outdoor-nema-6-50-welding-outlet

rrocket · « **Reply #150 on:** April 29, 2017, 12:44:43 pm »

I think maybe I wasn't clear.

A couple EVSE manufacturers told me I couldn't use their charger outside with a 6-50R despite knowing full well (per my electrician and you guys) that it's perfectly ESA legal and safe when used with a weatherproof receptacle. They said water would get in, it might malfunction, they'd void the warranty, etc. They could only be hardwired which is BS. Them not knowing this doesn't give me greet confidence in their product...especially if I did buy one, used a 6-50R and needed to warranty their product. Would be a nightmare IMO.

Elmec was NOT one of these companies. In fact, they seemed to encourage 6-50R so the charger could be portable if need be. The had an answer for every question I had an seemed to really know their product intimately. For that reason, I think the Elmec is the one I would buy. Plus Canadian company.

me_2 · « **Reply #151 on:** April 29, 2017, 01:05:29 pm »

So, Indoor was a more complicated install process?

Aluminum Enclosure with 6-50R + EVC30 ? https://boutique.roulezelectrique.com/collections/ensembles-bornes-recharge/products/ensemble-borne-evduty-40-et-cabinet-exterieur-en-aluminium

rrocket · « **Reply #152 on:** April 29, 2017, 01:12:04 pm »

Quote from: me_2 on April 29, 2017, 01:05:29 pm

So, Indoor was a more complicated install process?

Aluminum Enclosure with 6-50R + EVC30 ? https://boutique.roulezelectrique.com/collections/ensembles-bornes-recharge/products/ensemble-borne-evduty-40-et-cabinet-exterieur-en-aluminium

Yep. 120+ feet of conduit.

I'll be going Elmec anyways

me_2 · « **Reply #153 on:** April 30, 2017, 08:59:45 am »

Quote from: rrocket on April 29, 2017, 01:12:04 pm

Quote from: me_2 on April 29, 2017, 01:05:29 pm
So, Indoor was a more complicated install process?

Aluminum Enclosure with 6-50R + EVC30 ? https://boutique.roulezelectrique.com/collections/ensembles-bornes-recharge/products/ensemble-borne-evduty-40-et-cabinet-exterieur-en-aluminium
Yep. 120+ feet of conduit.

I'll be going Elmec anyways

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Guy · « **Reply #154 on:** May 06, 2017, 04:41:05 pm »

So Ron, is the FFE on order?

rrocket · « **Reply #155 on:** May 06, 2017, 05:54:58 pm »

Quote from: Guy on May 06, 2017, 04:41:05 pm

So Ron, is the FFE on order?

No, I don't think so.

I think I'm going to pass. Too much up front expense, too much hassle, PITA

tortoise · « **Reply #156 on:** May 06, 2017, 06:15:22 pm »

It's kind of now or never though isn't it?

Can't imaging that 14k discount is going to be around forever.

rrocket · « **Reply #157 on:** May 06, 2017, 06:29:33 pm »

Quote from: tortoise on May 06, 2017, 06:15:22 pm

It's kind of now or never though isn't it?

Can't imaging that 14k discount is going to be around forever.

It's only a lease anyways....

Plus as a lover a ICE cars, not enough passion for me to overlook everything I listed.

It's just been a PITA process

wing · « **Reply #158 on:** May 06, 2017, 08:51:10 pm »

I drove the bolt and was very impressed. I'd seriously consider it if I was looking. Its fun because of the instant torque.

Guy · « **Reply #159 on:** May 07, 2017, 10:46:37 am »

Quote from: rrocket on May 06, 2017, 05:54:58 pm

Quote from: Guy on May 06, 2017, 04:41:05 pm
So Ron, is the FFE on order?
No, I don't think so.

I think I'm going to pass. Too much up front expense, too much hassle, PITA

Too bad. Hopefully Toyota will get their act together and release the Prius prime to Canada at a decent price. No need for a 240V charger for that one.