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2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« on: April 23, 2024, 11:16:44 am »
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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2024, 08:05:34 pm »
ZZZZzzzz....
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2024, 08:07:47 am »
I don't think we are too far away from the entire Porsche lineup to be $100K+.  While I know inflation and demand are the cause of that, not to mention the extra costs associated with EV's (pushing the EV Macan's to that level), for the most part wages haven't kept pace.  So one would think that the pool of buyers has shrunk a bit.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 10:40:10 am »
Since they announced the 718, and even more so Macan, moving to EV, I've wondered how they could possibly keep the volume up given the expected significant price increases.  Maybe their plan all along has been to shift the Brand to a higher price/lower volume strategy?

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2024, 04:33:29 am »
ZZZZzzzz....

I'm really surprised that your primary and overriding measure of a performance car is the sound it makes.
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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2024, 06:08:44 am »
ZZZZzzzz....

I'm really surprised that your primary and overriding measure of a performance car is the sound it makes.

It's not. Anymore that straight line performance is your overriding measure (lately).

For me character is a big part of what separates special cars from less special cars.

And when I can get performance AND glorious sound, it's tilts more towards "complete package" rather than "soulless appliance".

All that these EVs have going for them (compared to ICE) is straight line speed. And as you can remember from my Supra, you get used to bonkers speed pretty quickly.

And for me, there needs to be more than that.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2024, 06:11:39 am »
Surely there's more to this than straight line speed. With the low CoG and the trick suspension it's also going to be a great handler.
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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2024, 06:48:37 am »
Surely there's more to this than straight line speed. With the low CoG and the trick suspension it's also going to be a great handler.
I keep hearing that, but that's not usually reality because of the (usual) increased weight. Which, as you know, is detrimental to braking and handling.

 I believe the new lightest Macan is around 400kg heavier than the lightest ICE model. And there's no hiding that.

To sum up:

-It's heavier (which means braking and handling likely compromised to some degree)
-It's more expensive
-It's more complex
-It has less character
-There's significant compromises to ownership (must be homeowner, charging infrastructure, range)
-But it's fast.

What am I supposed to be excited about, again? Zzz zzz.

If this were an ICE we'd be (mostly) calling it a failure because it doesn't improve significantly on much from the previous model and goes the other way in too many other areas.  But because it's an EV? It gets a pass.

Auto journos have a bit of a double standard when reviewing EVs IMO.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2024, 07:37:48 am by rrocket »

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2024, 10:08:24 am »
Surely there's more to this than straight line speed. With the low CoG and the trick suspension it's also going to be a great handler.
I keep hearing that, but that's not usually reality because of the (usual) increased weight. Which, as you know, is detrimental to braking and handling.

 I believe the new lightest Macan is around 400kg heavier than the lightest ICE model. And there's no hiding that.

To sum up:

-It's heavier (which means braking and handling likely compromised to some degree)
-It's more expensive
-It's more complex
-It has less character
-There's significant compromises to ownership (must be homeowner, charging infrastructure, range)
-But it's fast.

What am I supposed to be excited about, again? Zzz zzz.

If this were an ICE we'd be (mostly) calling it a failure because it doesn't improve significantly on much from the previous model and goes the other way in too many other areas.  But because it's an EV? It gets a pass.

Auto journos have a bit of a double standard when reviewing EVs IMO.

It IS heavier, but there IS hiding that.  Bigger, grippier tires, better suspension tune.  Bigger, stronger brakes.  All that adds to the weight, yes, but the net result is incredibly capable car, not just in straight line -- which is seriously thrilling -- but in the way it tackled tight, twisty roads, too.

Yes, it's expensive -- but everything is more expensive, and that doesn't really affect the 'feel' of a car though does it?

It doesn't improve much on the previous generation (ICE) version?  Umm... except in performance, tech, features, comfort, and for those who do have a charger at home, convenience.  Why spend hours every year freezing one's ass off at gas pumps when you can walk out to a fully-charged (and climate pre-conditioned) car every morning? It's also very likely the new zappy Macan will prove to be more reliable in the long run too. 

Also, please elaborate on that double-standard, would ya?

I fully get that EVs are NOT the answer for everyone -- or even for a lot of folks.  That's fine.  I don't support them being forced down consumers' throats by the governments either. But I appreciate that they have a place now, and will continue to for a long time. My desire to drive an excellent EV like this Macan, or a Taycan, or an i4 as a wonderful daily driver in no way makes me appreciate, say, an old air-cooled 911, any less.

A bone-stock SUV that can rip off a 0-60 time in less than 3 seconds (or an estimated 1/4 mi in the low 11s), while also being able to scramble around on dirt trails, or tow a 2000 lb trailer, and cart the family around is a pretty awesome feat. That it handles like a proper Porsche too is the icing on the cake.

Do I wish it wasn't $120k for a "Turbo"? Sure, but I also wish a new Cayman with the 4L wasn't a six figure car, too, but Porsche apparently gets away with it.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 10:33:56 am »
Why spend hours every year freezing one's ass off at gas pumps

Hours at gas pumps  :think: you must be filling up multiple times a day  :rofl:

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2024, 11:21:59 am »
If you fill up once a week and it takes 5 minutes, that's over 4 hours per year.

Even two minutes per fill is almost two hours per year.
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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2024, 11:32:50 am »
Freezing your ass off infers winter, here in TO that might be 2 months, so 40 minutes

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2024, 12:10:34 pm »
So, over an hour for the rest of the country.

Point taken through.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2024, 01:35:44 pm »
I don't think we are too far away from the entire Porsche lineup to be $100K+.  While I know inflation and demand are the cause of that, not to mention the extra costs associated with EV's (pushing the EV Macan's to that level), for the most part wages haven't kept pace.  So one would think that the pool of buyers has shrunk a bit.

For the most part, buyers of new Porsches aren't in the demographic that would even refer to their income as 'wages'.   Definitely true average pay has not kept pace, but the top 5% or so have done just fine keeping pace with inflation.   I would wager Porsche has (way) more prospective buyers than 20 years ago.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2024, 01:40:37 pm »
I do not have any issue with the existence of EV's, just not at the cost of ICE.  While the Macan is being sold as both, I think it's perfectly fine, but they'll inevitably go full EV for that lineup and that's a shame. 

It's not just EV's that I dislike the takeover of the market, it's also the CUV/SUV's, which have killed many sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons.  Not to mention the demise of the manual transmission. 

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2024, 01:54:24 pm »
At this price range, I'm sure I could get into a Cayenne with a ludicrous sounding V8 and be way happier than the golf cart sounds that EVs provide. Are the engine noises the only reason to buy a car, no, but at this price range, I expect a bit of theatre. This isn't some white appliance, $60k ev, this is a damn near $180k vehicle, I need more than Dyson vacuum noises.
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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2024, 02:00:04 pm »
At this price range, I'm sure I could get into a Cayenne with a ludicrous sounding V8 and be way happier than the golf cart sounds that EVs provide. Are the engine noises the only reason to buy a car, no, but at this price range, I expect a bit of theatre. This isn't some white appliance, $60k ev, this is a damn near $180k vehicle, I need more than Dyson vacuum noises.

You're not wrong – you can get a Cayenne S with $20k in options for the price of a base EV Macan Turbo.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2024, 02:59:35 pm »
At this price range, I'm sure I could get into a Cayenne with a ludicrous sounding V8 and be way happier than the golf cart sounds that EVs provide. Are the engine noises the only reason to buy a car, no, but at this price range, I expect a bit of theatre. This isn't some white appliance, $60k ev, this is a damn near $180k vehicle, I need more than Dyson vacuum noises.

You're not wrong – you can get a Cayenne S with $20k in options for the price of a base EV Macan Turbo.

Definitely where I'd spend my money while still possible to grab that V8!

Something funky about the styling of these EV Macans no?   The front end just looks a little stubbier/cuter than the ICE design?   Looks generally good...just not as aggressive as the standard one.

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2024, 03:57:52 pm »
If you fill up once a week and it takes 5 minutes, that's over 4 hours per year.

Even two minutes per fill is almost two hours per year.
So will you wait for charging more than 4 hours per year?

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Re: 2024 Porsche Macan First Drive Review
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2024, 04:06:14 pm »
Really depends on the use case, no?