Topic: 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4xe

[PJungnitsch]

Not much here either, but then the subsidy money went to lowering gas prices vs EV's

[ktm525]

Question regarding the 4xe and towing. It states 6000 lbs towing capacity. How long does the e portion contribute? Can it tow something 1000kms or will I be relying on just the small gasser at that point?

[Blueprint]

Question regarding the 4xe and towing. It states 6000 lbs towing capacity. How long does the e portion contribute? Can it tow something 1000kms or will I be relying on just the small gasser at that point?

There's always some juice left, batteries in hybrids don't go down to zero - they typically keep 20% for hybrid operation, and it gets topped-up when it recoups energy. Drive on level ground, ICE only. Hit a hillclimb, ICE+EV. In any case, the four-banger is pretty powerful by itself. IIRC, the 2.0t Cherokee I reviewed a couple years ago had at least 4000 lbs capacity. The extra 2k lbs in the JGC probably commes from chassis and transmission, plus rwd-biased design.

[ktm525]

Question regarding the 4xe and towing. It states 6000 lbs towing capacity. How long does the e portion contribute? Can it tow something 1000kms or will I be relying on just the small gasser at that point?

There's always some juice left, batteries in hybrids don't go down to zero - they typically keep 20% for hybrid operation, and it gets topped-up when it recoups energy. Drive on level ground, ICE only. Hit a hillclimb, ICE+EV. In any case, the four-banger is pretty powerful by itself. IIRC, the 2.0t Cherokee I reviewed a couple years ago had at least 4000 lbs capacity. The extra 2k lbs in the JGC probably commes from chassis and transmission, plus rwd-biased design.

Ok so what's going on with this thing pulling 6000 lbs at 120 km/h into a headwind for a couple hours? Will the ICE portion handle it?

[Blueprint]

Question regarding the 4xe and towing. It states 6000 lbs towing capacity. How long does the e portion contribute? Can it tow something 1000kms or will I be relying on just the small gasser at that point?

There's always some juice left, batteries in hybrids don't go down to zero - they typically keep 20% for hybrid operation, and it gets topped-up when it recoups energy. Drive on level ground, ICE only. Hit a hillclimb, ICE+EV. In any case, the four-banger is pretty powerful by itself. IIRC, the 2.0t Cherokee I reviewed a couple years ago had at least 4000 lbs capacity. The extra 2k lbs in the JGC probably commes from chassis and transmission, plus rwd-biased design.

Ok so what's going on with this thing pulling 6000 lbs at 120 km/h into a headwind for a couple hours? Will the ICE portion handle it?

There's a huge safety margin in NA tow ratings - look at Europe! EVERYTHING has a tow rating!

[Blueprint]

US vs Europe towing:

[bridgecity]

Nobody should be towing at 120, trailer tires aren't even rated for that speed.  If you're having trouble at 120 into a headwind, slow the eff down.

[Blueprint]

Nobody should be towing at 120, trailer tires aren't even rated for that speed.  If you're having trouble at 120 into a headwind, slow the eff down.

Oh, what he said too! Towing you should be at the design speed of the tires and the road. Should be 90 km/h, tops. Even semis are mandated at 105 max here in QC.

[Gurgie]

The Hemi could tow 7,200lbs when they had it. Guess that new blown 6 will make its way in this thing eventually. My old diesel was rated at 7,200lbs as well.

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[ktm525]

LOL You have never driven multilane highways in Alberta in the summer? We just got back from Baja (35 hours each way) pulling a trailer and you sure don't want to drive that at 90 km/h     Interstate minimum is 65 MPH or you will be run over by transports.   OK the big question is can the ICE handle the 6000lb towing capacity safely? Lets say 90 km/h  through Colorado?

[bridgecity]

LOL You have never driven multilane highways in Alberta in the summer? We just got back from Baja (35 hours each way) pulling a trailer and you sure don't want to drive that at 90 km/h     Interstate minimum is 65 MPH or you will be run over by transports.   OK the big question is can the ICE handle the 6000lb towing capacity safely? Lets say 90 km/h  through Colorado?

I'll try again.  If you're having trouble at those speeds, slow the eff down because you shouldn't be towing that fast regardless.  A blow out or loss of control is far more severe consequences than holding up trafffic.  As usual, you're using extreme examples.  You're not getting run over by transporters.  Yes, I've towed.  Far more than you have, and yes through Alberta.  Big friggin deal.

I realize this may not be directed at my post, but my point still stands.

[Blueprint]

End of the day, if Jeep says 6000 lbs, it's 6000lbs, no matter how much juice is left in the battery.

There's always a safety margin.

[Guy]

End of the day, if Jeep says 6000 lbs, it's 6000lbs, no matter how much juice is left in the battery.

There's always a safety margin.

But he's not going 120 kph! 

[Blueprint]

End of the day, if Jeep says 6000 lbs, it's 6000lbs, no matter how much juice is left in the battery.

There's always a safety margin.

But he's not going 120 kph! 

If he did, the key fob on the roof would fly off.

[revalations]

We forget how crazy towing numbers were in the 80’s? How about your 90HP FWD Cavalier towing 4800#’s down the highway!


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[ArticSteve]

Great review as per always. I cannot believe how popular these, and its Wagoneer bigger brother, are around here. It seems that all the soccer moms traded their X5s and Mercedes things in for these things. They're a really nice rig, I can't really blame people for liking them.

I agree, you’re reviews are excellent!

The Grand Wagoneer is a very rare sight here in the Okanagan (save for the many I see loitering on the Jeep dealership lot) and even the smaller Grand isn’t very common. And everyone here is big dollar SUV crazy, can’t go far without seeing new Escalades/Denali, Range Rovers, BMW’s, etc.

Think Jeep has priced themselves out of their own market.

Despite having two Jeep dealers with 30 km, I have not seen either a Wagonner or a Grand Wagonner on the road.  The beater version of the Wagoneer is $90K plus tax and the beater Grand is $110K plus HST and LUXURY tax.   LOL!

[ArticSteve]

LOL You have never driven multilane highways in Alberta in the summer? We just got back from Baja (35 hours each way) pulling a trailer and you sure don't want to drive that at 90 km/h     Interstate minimum is 65 MPH or you will be run over by transports.   OK the big question is can the ICE handle the 6000lb towing capacity safely? Lets say 90 km/h  through Colorado?

We just got back from Baja

As in Baja California, Mexico?   Impressive.  Hat's off.

[ArticSteve]

 OK the big question is can the ICE handle the 6000lb towing capacity safely? Lets say 90 km/h  through Colorado?

IMO, the only thing capable of towing 6000 lbs. safely at Interstate speed is a tandem behind a 3/4 ton which will either have a turbo diesel or a 6+ litre gasser.  These units need to stop.  Trailer brakes by and large suck.  Surge brakes are ridiculous.  Seems the RV industry is transitioning to disc brakes.  Both my boat trailers of late came with discs.

MDX and Honda Pilot/Ridgeline rated at 5000 lbs.    Who comes up with these ridiculous ratings.  Where are they testing these units.  Ireland?

[Gurgie]

MDX and Honda Pilot/Ridgeline rated at 5000 lbs.    Who comes up with these ridiculous ratings.  Where are they testing these units.  Ireland?

Only 3500lbs for those units with the base tow package. Need to go with the upgraded one that includes the transmission cooler to get to 5000lbs. Problem with these ratings is people think they can actually tow the full amount without taking into account the load within the vehicle




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[valuator]

Great review as per always. I cannot believe how popular these, and its Wagoneer bigger brother, are around here. It seems that all the soccer moms traded their X5s and Mercedes things in for these things. They're a really nice rig, I can't really blame people for liking them.

I agree, you’re reviews are excellent!

The Grand Wagoneer is a very rare sight here in the Okanagan (save for the many I see loitering on the Jeep dealership lot) and even the smaller Grand isn’t very common. And everyone here is big dollar SUV crazy, can’t go far without seeing new Escalades/Denali, Range Rovers, BMW’s, etc.

Think Jeep has priced themselves out of their own market.

Despite having two Jeep dealers with 30 km, I have not seen either a Wagonner or a Grand Wagonner on the road.  The beater version of the Wagoneer is $90K plus tax and the beater Grand is $110K plus HST and LUXURY tax.   LOL!

Lots on the road here, and a bunch on the lots.  Of course, this is Yukon/Suburban territory, so folks are accustomed to paying nearly six figures for family haulers.