Topic: Test Drive: 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback

[Seafoam]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

[dirtyjeffer]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

[Seafoam]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

No the SI. It uses the the turbo engine that is in other civics,but has a higher output.
https://www.honda.ca/buildyourhonda?model_key=civic_sedan&model_year=2017&returnUrl=true#!/en/NS/civic_sedan

[84im]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

[Angry Chicken]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

My wife wants me to look at an Si Couple.  Who am I to argue?  ;-)

Neat tech on the Si.  Adaptive dampers, driver selectable damping modes, firmer shocks, springs, bushings, upper rear suspension moungs, and roll bars than non-Si models.  Bigger turbo, firmer seats.......  And seriously quick, too!

[kings10]

Too bad no Si trim for the hatchback.  I guess it's too difficult to implement on the different production line. 

Looking forward to Elantra GT vs. Civic hatchback comparison review.

[johngenx]

Si vs GTI is going to be a very interesting match.

[dirtyjeffer]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

No the SI. It uses the the turbo engine that is in other civics,but has a higher output.
https://www.honda.ca/buildyourhonda?model_key=civic_sedan&model_year=2017&returnUrl=true#!/en/NS/civic_sedan

oh, they've had the Si for a while, so i figured when you were getting excited about it, i thought it was the Type R...i considered an Si when i bought my last car, but the lack of an automatic ruled it out...that is still the case today, only available in manual.

[Seafoam]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

No the SI. It uses the the turbo engine that is in other civics,but has a higher output.
https://www.honda.ca/buildyourhonda?model_key=civic_sedan&model_year=2017&returnUrl=true#!/en/NS/civic_sedan

oh, they've had the Si for a while, so i figured when you were getting excited about it, i thought it was the Type R...i considered an Si when i bought my last car, but the lack of an automatic ruled it out...that is still the case today, only available in manual.

Not really excited about it. Just making a comment. Didn't realize it was introduced around april.
Thought this sight might have had a review of the SI. There is  a thread on the Type R in another section of this forum. 

[HeliDriver]

^^There are actually five Type R threads, not that anyone is counting. 

https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=98302.0
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=98705.0
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=98358.0
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=99031.0
https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?topic=99047.0

[dirtyjeffer]

Not really excited about it. Just making a comment.

sorry, not sure why i put "excited"...that wasn't the proper word..."mentioned" is more appropriate and more what i meant.

[Jaeger]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

I'd put up with all the ugly at that price point for sure. 

[Jaeger]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

I'd put up with all the ugly at that price point for sure. 

No you woudn't.  It isn't AWD.  Remember?   

FWD is fine - I've owned several.  I'm just not crackhead-level delusional about the limitations of FWD on a performance vehicle in low traction situations.  At $28k I'm a buyer.  FWD, FUGLY and FUN.

[Jaeger]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

I'd put up with all the ugly at that price point for sure. 

No you woudn't.  It isn't AWD.  Remember?   

FWD is fine - I've owned several.  I'm just not crackhead-level delusional about the limitations of FWD on a performance vehicle in low traction situations.  At $28k I'm a buyer.  FWD, FUGLY and FUN.

No, you are just uninformed, uninitiated, unexperienced, and out of your element when talking performance cars.

May your delusions continue to bring you great comfort.

[EV-Light]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

I'd put up with all the ugly at that price point for sure. 

No you woudn't.  It isn't AWD.  Remember?   

FWD is fine - I've owned several.  I'm just not crackhead-level delusional about the limitations of FWD on a performance vehicle in low traction situations.  At $28k I'm a buyer.  FWD, FUGLY and FUN.

No, you are just uninformed, uninitiated, unexperienced, and out of your element when talking performance cars.

May your delusions continue to bring you great comfort.

Amen


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[greengs]

Si vs GTI is going to be a very interesting match.

I think the GTI is going to have the stronger motor but the LSD, excellent manual, and steering feel may go to the SI.  The SI will be cheaper overall.  To get an LSD on the GTI you have to spend about $38K!

The 2018 GTI has no LSD. The positive is that the pricing will be lower as the base model 5 door will be available now. 

Civic Type R has an MSRP of $40,890 as per a leak from earlier this week.   

[JohnnyMac]

Si vs GTI is going to be a very interesting match.

I think the GTI is going to have the stronger motor but the LSD, excellent manual, and steering feel may go to the SI.  The SI will be cheaper overall.  To get an LSD on the GTI you have to spend about $38K!

The 2018 GTI has no LSD. The positive is that the pricing will be lower as the base model 5 door will be available now. 

Civic Type R has an MSRP of $40,890 as per a leak from earlier this week.   

I know Honda won't have any trouble selling all their Type R's at that price (considering they already said there will be a limited supply of them), but at that price I don't think I could look past the lack of AWD.  I totally get that the FWD in the Type R performs magic and is faster than any of its rivals on a track, but in the real world and in winter conditions especially I much prefer AWD.  Plus if I was buying something for the track it would be a RWD vehicle.

[EV-Light]

I see Honda .ca has the build and price for the Civic SI's now . Haven't seen one in the flesh yet. starting at$28,000 or so.

you mean the Type R?

looks like they now use a 2.0T engine...306 HP and 295 TQ...the knock against the old ones was always the low TQ number...that looks to be a non-issue here.

Wouldn't that be something if the Type R sold for @28,000.   

I'd put up with all the ugly at that price point for sure. 

No you woudn't.  It isn't AWD.  Remember?   

FWD is fine - I've owned several.  I'm just not crackhead-level delusional about the limitations of FWD on a performance vehicle in low traction situations.  At $28k I'm a buyer.  FWD, FUGLY and FUN.

No, you are just uninformed, uninitiated, unexperienced, and out of your element when talking performance cars.

May your delusions continue to bring you great comfort.

Amen


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So how is that debadged Mustang GT without the GT brakes, suspension, hood, and V8?  Do you make 'vroom, vroom' sounds when you sit in it in the garage?

I love it [emoji7][emoji7][emoji7][emoji7][emoji7] always get amazing compliments from peeps! It has a really cool personalized plate now and I upped the rims to 20s, so it looks even more bad ass

I have 7000km on it right now.

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[Angry Chicken]

There are some seriously fast cars in the CTCC (Canadian Touring Car Championship) which are FWD.  I have no problem thinking of the Type R and the Si as serious track cars, especially as they are equipped with LSDs.  But.....I prefer AWD myself.  Not least because it's smarter than I am in low traction conditions and much as I am a track day enthusiast I love the fact that I can drive my car at the track (not just the road) in marginal weather conditions.

[Jaeger]

There are some seriously fast cars in the CTCC (Canadian Touring Car Championship) which are FWD.  I have no problem thinking of the Type R and the Si as serious track cars, especially as they are equipped with LSDs.  But.....I prefer AWD myself.  Not least because it's smarter than I am in low traction conditions and much as I am a track day enthusiast I love the fact that I can drive my car at the track (not just the road) in marginal weather conditions.

Remember now - AWD gives you no advantage on a wet track over 20kph!