Topic: HUMMER EV!!!

[ChaosphereIX]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Christian von Koenigsegg

Agreed. But so niche as to not matter to major manufacturers. Same as Gordon Murray.

some of his stuff could trickle down and be game changers

such as valveless heads - look up the 3cyl turbo they made with crazy power called "little giant"

[Triple Bob]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Christian von Koenigsegg

Agreed. But so niche as to not matter to major manufacturers. Same as Gordon Murray.

some of his stuff could trickle down and be game changers

such as valveless heads - look up the 3cyl turbo they made with crazy power called "little giant"

Don't get me wrong, I agree. But unless he is denting mainstream manufacturers it's difficult to drive change.

[ChaosphereIX]

the valveless heads are already being mass produced for car companies in China to get bigger power out of smaller engines

He will get there, but I get what you are saying. No denying Musk has really gone from zero to hero in a very short time in terms of the automotive industry.

[rrocket]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Musk didn't do anything visionary. He didn't invent the EV. Heck, he didn't even start or found Tesla.

He had a) loads of money b) was able to attract investors c) was able to make the product seem like you couldn't live without it d) create a cult of followers that would do the rest while much smarter people than he did the heavy lifting and technical work (see the Jobs/Wozniac Paradigm) d) able to lose vast amounts of money while doing so (ie fake it until you make it)

 He's more PT Barnum to me. YMMV.

And large automotive companies weren't avoiding EVs (or hybrids) due to lack of innovation or "vision"...but due to them generally being unprofitable (as Musk is finding out, at least $6 billion worth so far). Even broken GM was able to make a very serviceable EV in the 90s as you know. Ditto with Toyota and their 90s Rav4 electric. With the tech at the time, both had ranges in excess of 150kms.

The "cult of Musk" far exceeds reality IMO. But again, YMMV.

[Triple Bob]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Musk didn't do anything visionary. He didn't invent the EV. Heck, he didn't even start or found Tesla.

He had a) loads of money b) was able to attract investors c) was able to make the product seem like you couldn't live without it d) create a cult of followers that would do the rest while much smarter people than he did the heavy lifting and technical work (see the Jobs/Wozniac Paradigm) d) able to lose vast amounts of money while doing so (ie fake it until you make it)

 He's more PT Barnum to me. YMMV.

And large automotive companies weren't avoiding EVs (or hybrids) due to lack of innovation or "vision"...but due to them generally being unprofitable (as Musk is finding out, at least $6 billion worth so far). Even broken GM was able to make a very serviceable EV in the 90s as you know. Ditto with Toyota and their 90s Rav4 electric. With the tech at the time, both had ranges in excess of 150kms.

The "cult of Musk" far exceeds reality IMO. But again, YMMV.

LOL, you might not think much of Musk or Tesla, but the mainstream manufacturers have been caught off guard, and are struggling to react. They weren't being proactive at all.

And yes, he wasn't employee #1, but that's just nit-picking details and you know it. They hadn't really done anything in the first year, and he is legally called a co-founder by law (settled). Building a business around a vision is more than just being an ideas person, you've got to know how to execute too.

[rrocket]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Musk didn't do anything visionary. He didn't invent the EV. Heck, he didn't even start or found Tesla.

He had a) loads of money b) was able to attract investors c) was able to make the product seem like you couldn't live without it d) create a cult of followers that would do the rest while much smarter people than he did the heavy lifting and technical work (see the Jobs/Wozniac Paradigm) d) able to lose vast amounts of money while doing so (ie fake it until you make it)

 He's more PT Barnum to me. YMMV.

And large automotive companies weren't avoiding EVs (or hybrids) due to lack of innovation or "vision"...but due to them generally being unprofitable (as Musk is finding out, at least $6 billion worth so far). Even broken GM was able to make a very serviceable EV in the 90s as you know. Ditto with Toyota and their 90s Rav4 electric. With the tech at the time, both had ranges in excess of 150kms.

The "cult of Musk" far exceeds reality IMO. But again, YMMV.

LOL, you might not think much of Musk or Tesla, but the mainstream manufacturers have been caught off guard, and are struggling to react. They weren't being proactive at all.

And yes, he wasn't employee #1, but that's just nit-picking details and you know it. They hadn't really done anything in the first year, and he is legally called a co-founder by law (settled). Building a business around a vision is more than just being an ideas person, you've got to know how to execute too.

His first title was "investor".

 Then because of his investments, he was able to stack the BoD and have the originals ousted. I know the story. Sounds like you do too.

Ebergard and Tarpening (spelling? ) founded the company and personally named it "Tesla".

And after the out of court settlement (alleged to the tune of 50,000+ shares of Tesla stock! ) was the agreement struck to have 5-6 "co-founders".

I still think Musk's other venture, X-com/Paypal was far, far more visionary than Tesla. Shame about partnering up with Peter Thiel though (yuck).

Did I ever mention how Musk grew up wealthy off the fruits of slave labor? [emoji2] Perhaps another time...

[Triple Bob]

I don't see anyone else anywhere near as visionary as Elon Musk at the moment.

And just as our opinions of the word "bias" differ, so does the term "visionary".

LOL, OK, who else in the automotive space is a visionary right now?

Musk didn't do anything visionary. He didn't invent the EV. Heck, he didn't even start or found Tesla.

He had a) loads of money b) was able to attract investors c) was able to make the product seem like you couldn't live without it d) create a cult of followers that would do the rest while much smarter people than he did the heavy lifting and technical work (see the Jobs/Wozniac Paradigm) d) able to lose vast amounts of money while doing so (ie fake it until you make it)

 He's more PT Barnum to me. YMMV.

And large automotive companies weren't avoiding EVs (or hybrids) due to lack of innovation or "vision"...but due to them generally being unprofitable (as Musk is finding out, at least $6 billion worth so far). Even broken GM was able to make a very serviceable EV in the 90s as you know. Ditto with Toyota and their 90s Rav4 electric. With the tech at the time, both had ranges in excess of 150kms.

The "cult of Musk" far exceeds reality IMO. But again, YMMV.

LOL, you might not think much of Musk or Tesla, but the mainstream manufacturers have been caught off guard, and are struggling to react. They weren't being proactive at all.

And yes, he wasn't employee #1, but that's just nit-picking details and you know it. They hadn't really done anything in the first year, and he is legally called a co-founder by law (settled). Building a business around a vision is more than just being an ideas person, you've got to know how to execute too.

His first title was "investor".

 Then because of his investments, he was able to stack the BoD and have the originals ousted. I know the story. Sounds like you do too.

Ebergard and Tarpening (spelling? ) founded the company and personally named it "Tesla".

And after the out of court settlement (alleged to the tune of 50,000+ shares of Tesla stock! ) was the agreement struck to have 5-6 "co-founders".

I still think Musk's other venture, X-com/Paypal was far, far more visionary than Tesla. Shame about partnering up with Peter Thiel though (yuck).

Did I ever mention how Musk grew up wealthy off the fruits of slave labor? [emoji2] Perhaps another time...

You're proving my point by painting him with the tar of his parents/ancestors. Let's not start on the history of every major auto manufacturer.

Anyway, who are your current auto-visionaries then?

[rrocket]

Anyway, who are your current auto-visionaries then?

I work in the industry and have for well over 2 decades but don't think there are any TBH. More like a continuous refinement rather than revolutionary or visionary.

New and novel technologies, production methods, materials, etc. Even in the techniques, software, machinery and tooling I use daily. A steady technical march forward.

But nothing "visionary". I too like Koenigsegg quite a bit..but can't call him a visionary. When Toyota and Honda released the first production hybrids...was that visionary or evolutionary? I think probably an evolution...

YMMV.

Like I said...I still think his first "real" venture was far more visionary.

[bye]

Christian von Koenigsegg

Tesla owner.  Loves his Tesla as a great daily driver. 

[EV Dan]

https://insideevs.com/news/450900/video-gmc-hummer-ev-moving-prototype/

It turns out, despite previous reports, GM has built an actual Hummer prototype. Here it is. The guy is super annoying though.

[me_2]

Interesting long promotional Hummer EV video on

https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/hummer-electric-truck-ev.html

Also coming
https://www.gmexhibitzero.com
https://investor.gm.com/news-releases/news-release-details/advance-zero-emissions-future-gm-invites-everybody

[EV Dan]

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/23/2022-gmc-hummer-edition-1-weight/

Spoiler: it's a porker. With such an enormous battery I'm surprised it doesn't cost much more. Is there a vehicle weight limit for a G license in ON?

[rrocket]

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/23/2022-gmc-hummer-edition-1-weight/

Spoiler: it's a porker. With such an enormous battery I'm surprised it doesn't cost much more. Is there a vehicle weight limit for a G license in ON?

I read somewhere the batter weighs over 3,000 lbs

[Ex-airbalancer]

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/23/2022-gmc-hummer-edition-1-weight/

Spoiler: it's a porker. With such an enormous battery I'm surprised it doesn't cost much more. Is there a vehicle weight limit for a G license in ON?

I read somewhere the batter weighs over 3,000 lbs

I read a story a couple of years ago, that there was better tax deductions for heavier vehicles , so people would buy top of the line 3/4 tons vehicles
I would if this case also 

[EV Dan]

Shouldn't have drove it in the rain 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIXfp7pVFV4
TFL truck

[EV-Light]

Yep things are not going well for the Hummer - online forums are lit on fire. Piles of issues left and right…

TFL also tried to off-road it but…suspension levelling system failed, front diff lock didn’t work, dashboard buttons were ‘falling apart’ - I am a tad concerned about these issues and really wondering if I will move forward with my Silverado EV order.


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[Ontariodriver]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/gmc-hummer-ev-taillights-cost-an-eye-watering-6100-to-replace-plus-labor

This particular owner was quoted $4,040 for just the Hummer's passenger taillight, not including labor. While this might seem like a typo, we can assure you that these taillights truly are expensive. After digging up the part number and giving a few dealers a call ourselves, The Drive was able to confirm GM's list price of $3,045.48 per side, meaning a full set will run nearly $6,100—more than 5% of the Hummer EV's MSRP—before installation.

This seams a bit pricey. 

[carmechanicuk]

this actually looks amazing, will have to save for years to get one though

[leo chen]

cool