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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2023, 01:39:22 pm »
^ You're right, likely one of the best bangs for the buck.  But, I'd have a hard time looking at that everyday. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2023, 01:55:45 pm »
^ You're right, likely one of the best bangs for the buck.  But, I'd have a hard time looking at that everyday.

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2023, 01:59:55 pm »
Looks schmooks, it's a family schlepper. Costco sweatpants.




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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2023, 02:00:38 pm »
My vote is still used MDX.  Should be able to get into a low mileage 2020 for under 45k.  Previous gen, but still SH-AWD, solid and buttery V6, and at then end of the generation so should be very reliable.   

I should go upgrade mine by a few years  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2023, 02:01:54 pm »
Man that butt ugly subaru for mid 40s is an interesting proposition.


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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2023, 02:06:14 pm »
Could put a set of wheels on it from the limited so it doesn't look as dorky.

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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2023, 02:12:02 pm »
Man that butt ugly subaru for mid 40s is an interesting proposition.

I think the OP lives in Manitoba.  Firstly, he won't be able to purchase a base Accent.  Next, the base is still $50K out the door.  He has less than $43K.

Next is the vehicle; turbo 4 with CVT.  A drone mobile.

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2023, 02:19:04 pm »
The way the market is, used car prices are still obscene. I wasn't impressed by the MDX when I reviewed it way back in 2016 (in English, too: https://www.autotrader.ca/editorial/20160831/2016-acura-mdx-elite-to-cape-cod-and-rhode-island/)

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Ironically, the MDX is the most expensive press car I’ve spent some serious time with, but it’s also the first one I did not miss after handing back the keys. With poor seating ergonomics, barely useable third row, irritating infotainment, challenged navigation, choppy ride, jerky throttle and doubtful value equation at the price level of the Elite trim, I’m baffled by its sales success.

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2023, 02:28:19 pm »
The way the market is, used car prices are still obscene. I wasn't impressed by the MDX when I reviewed it way back in 2016 (in English, too: https://www.autotrader.ca/editorial/20160831/2016-acura-mdx-elite-to-cape-cod-and-rhode-island/)

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Ironically, the MDX is the most expensive press car I’ve spent some serious time with, but it’s also the first one I did not miss after handing back the keys. With poor seating ergonomics, barely useable third row, irritating infotainment, challenged navigation, choppy ride, jerky throttle and doubtful value equation at the price level of the Elite trim, I’m baffled by its sales success.

I'm in the 2023 soon.

And yet it sold well.  No arguing the infotainment was crap. Not sure what years it got apple carplay, but a friends 2019 has it.  Again, very good AWD, great V6.  Don't get the comments about the choppy ride or jerky throttle.  You were harsh !  ;D :P

Actually I do find the friends A-spec rougher riding than our tech.
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2023, 02:38:43 pm »
Man that butt ugly subaru for mid 40s is an interesting proposition.

I think the OP lives in Manitoba.  Firstly, he won't be able to purchase a base Accent.  Next, the base is still $50K out the door.  He has less than $43K.

Next is the vehicle; turbo 4 with CVT.  A drone mobile.

OP also wants to own this vehicle out of warranty... The Ascent is a poor choice - even if it didn't grace CR's (admittedly questionable) 10 least reliable vehicles, I wouldn't want to maintain/repair a boosted, inaccessible flat 4 bolted onto a CVT on my dime.

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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2023, 02:39:33 pm »
Man that butt ugly subaru for mid 40s is an interesting proposition.

I think the OP lives in Manitoba.  Firstly, he won't be able to purchase a base Accent.  Next, the base is still $50K out the door.  He has less than $43K.

Next is the vehicle; turbo 4 with CVT.  A drone mobile.

OP also wants to own this vehicle out of warranty... The Ascent is a poor choice - even if it didn't grace CR's (admittedly questionable) 10 least reliable vehicles, I wouldn't want to maintain/repair a turboed, inaccessible flat 4 bolted onto a CVT on my dime.

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2023, 02:51:00 pm »
Get the best previous gen Pilot you can afford. That's what I would go with given the budget. In 2021, we testdrove all the mainstream 3rows SUVs.

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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2023, 02:57:46 pm »
Thanks.  Lots of good information there.  I guess when I think “premium”, I tend to automatically think of the European stuff, as we didn’t have Acura/Infiniti where I used to live and Lexus was a very small player.  RX and MDX look good.  So, is the MDX similar to a Honda Pilot or is it its own thing?  Good to know that the MDX has a more sophisticated AWD system too.  I guess my problem with spending big money (for me) on a pre-owned Lexus/Acura is that you’re looking at a 5/6 year old vehicle with about 4 years of use on it already, no warranty etc when you can get a new vehicle for not much more (granted it’s a Kia).

Point also taken on Mitsubishi, seems like it has been a dying brand for years and despite the Renault/Nissan alliance, they recently pulled out of Europe, so who knows how long they’ll stay in NA.  I sold Suzuki cars for a couple of years actually!  Well-engineered for the price and decent, non-pretentious cars that I found quite endearing but mostly smaller cars, so not so well suited to the NA market.  Kia/Hyundai is a pretty huge industrial powerhouse in comparison though, I don’t really see them going anywhere, I worry more for the big 3 (although less so Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram bizarrely, as they have the might of Stellantis behind them).  Jeep/Ram still very strong brands but maybe Chrysler/Dodge will fall by the wayside in the next few years?  Re Kia/Hyundai, a lot of my friends in the car industry seem to think they’re the “go to” option if you just want a decent non-enthusiast car and many now own or are contemplating owning them when they used to drive BMWs/Mercedes.  Useful information about the DCT on the Sorento though, I didn’t know that, seems like an odd choice on a car like that when even BMW M/Audi RS cars are going back to torque converter transmissions now.  I have to say that I though Kia/Hyundai were cheap crap 15 years ago but all the modern ones that I have driven have been quite impressive (I’d put them right up there with the Mazdas that I have driven).

Re VW, I’ve been really pleased with my Golf Sportwagen.  VW really imbued it with a high quality feel for a compact car and it (touchwood) hasn’t really missed a beat in the 4 years/80,000 or so km that I’ve had it.  It has been more reliable and less rattly than my 2013 Civic and significantly more refined/comfortable than my 2014 Corolla was.  I wouldn’t have too much of an issue in owning another VW but the Tiguan doesn’t excite me massively, as it doesn’t have a lot more power than my Golf for its extra girth and VW seemed to have cheaped out on a lot of things post-dieselgate, so the Tiguan/Atlas don’t quite have the same “premium” feel as my Golf has.  The Golf averages around 7L/100km, so I’m probably not going to beat that (our van averages about 11L/100km) but IIRC, I used to carpool with a guy who had a 2020 Highlander and he was averaging high 8s, which I thought was pretty decent for that type of vehicle, so improving on the GC should be possible.

I think that the LR4/original Volvo XC90 are probably two of the best designed 3-row vehicles ever in terms of utility but sadly both are getting on a bit now and their replacements seem to be less reliable (which I wouldn’t have though possible in the case of the Land Rover but it seems to be true)!  All I’m reading about the current Discovery Sport/Discovery/XC90 is engine failures and constant electrical issues, so although my desire is high for those vehicles, my head is telling me to keep walking!   

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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2023, 02:59:18 pm »
Get the best previous gen Pilot you can afford. That's what I would go with given the budget. In 2021, we testdrove all the mainstream 3rows SUVs.

Not a bad idea here, and less expensive gadgets than in the MDX regarding long-term ownership, but these were last sold in 2015. Unless you mean the 2016-2022 generation that is... Extremely high theft rate, don't know what insurance is like.

My 2012 Odyssey is a tank in snow, and has been dead reliable so far. No issues with room, but I'm getting tired of yanking the 2nd row out of the car for full cargo mode. That's another option for the OP, but resale value is waayyy up there.

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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2023, 03:13:39 pm »
Get the best previous gen Pilot you can afford. That's what I would go with given the budget. In 2021, we testdrove all the mainstream 3rows SUVs.

Not a bad idea here, and less expensive gadgets than in the MDX regarding long-term ownership, but these were last sold in 2015. Unless you mean the 2016-2022 generation that is... Extremely high theft rate, don't know what insurance is like.

My 2012 Odyssey is a tank in snow, and has been dead reliable so far. No issues with room, but I'm getting tired of yanking the 2nd row out of the car for full cargo mode. That's another option for the OP, but resale value is waayyy up there.

2016-22 is what I meant. Has the i-VTM 4 AWD system which is similar to the SH-AWD from Acura, just different tuning. Road manners are very similar to the MDX. More space, less luxury and gadgets.

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« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2023, 03:21:31 pm »
Thanks.  Lots of good information there.  I guess when I think “premium”, I tend to automatically think of the European stuff, as we didn’t have Acura/Infiniti where I used to live and Lexus was a very small player.  RX and MDX look good.  So, is the MDX similar to a Honda Pilot or is it its own thing?  Good to know that the MDX has a more sophisticated AWD system too.  I guess my problem with spending big money (for me) on a pre-owned Lexus/Acura is that you’re looking at a 5/6 year old vehicle with about 4 years of use on it already, no warranty etc when you can get a new vehicle for not much more (granted it’s a Kia).

Point also taken on Mitsubishi, seems like it has been a dying brand for years and despite the Renault/Nissan alliance, they recently pulled out of Europe, so who knows how long they’ll stay in NA.  I sold Suzuki cars for a couple of years actually!  Well-engineered for the price and decent, non-pretentious cars that I found quite endearing but mostly smaller cars, so not so well suited to the NA market.  Kia/Hyundai is a pretty huge industrial powerhouse in comparison though, I don’t really see them going anywhere, I worry more for the big 3 (although less so Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram bizarrely, as they have the might of Stellantis behind them).  Jeep/Ram still very strong brands but maybe Chrysler/Dodge will fall by the wayside in the next few years?  Re Kia/Hyundai, a lot of my friends in the car industry seem to think they’re the “go to” option if you just want a decent non-enthusiast car and many now own or are contemplating owning them when they used to drive BMWs/Mercedes.  Useful information about the DCT on the Sorento though, I didn’t know that, seems like an odd choice on a car like that when even BMW M/Audi RS cars are going back to torque converter transmissions now.  I have to say that I though Kia/Hyundai were cheap crap 15 years ago but all the modern ones that I have driven have been quite impressive (I’d put them right up there with the Mazdas that I have driven).

Re VW, I’ve been really pleased with my Golf Sportwagen.  VW really imbued it with a high quality feel for a compact car and it (touchwood) hasn’t really missed a beat in the 4 years/80,000 or so km that I’ve had it.  It has been more reliable and less rattly than my 2013 Civic and significantly more refined/comfortable than my 2014 Corolla was.  I wouldn’t have too much of an issue in owning another VW but the Tiguan doesn’t excite me massively, as it doesn’t have a lot more power than my Golf for its extra girth and VW seemed to have cheaped out on a lot of things post-dieselgate, so the Tiguan/Atlas don’t quite have the same “premium” feel as my Golf has.  The Golf averages around 7L/100km, so I’m probably not going to beat that (our van averages about 11L/100km) but IIRC, I used to carpool with a guy who had a 2020 Highlander and he was averaging high 8s, which I thought was pretty decent for that type of vehicle, so improving on the GC should be possible.

I think that the LR4/original Volvo XC90 are probably two of the best designed 3-row vehicles ever in terms of utility but sadly both are getting on a bit now and their replacements seem to be less reliable (which I wouldn’t have though possible in the case of the Land Rover but it seems to be true)!  All I’m reading about the current Discovery Sport/Discovery/XC90 is engine failures and constant electrical issues, so although my desire is high for those vehicles, my head is telling me to keep walking!   

Live a little. Put that $45k to the best LR4 you can find.. ;D I will even accept if you get a supercharged V6 with the single speed transfer case. I have had a LR3 and then a LR4 in the stable for the past 14 years. Vehicle does everything. Rock crawls and floats down the highway in silence with an air coddled ride. You will pay to maintain and fuel it though, nothing comes for free. ;D


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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2023, 03:57:05 pm »
Thanks.  Lots of good information there.  I guess when I think “premium”, I tend to automatically think of the European stuff, as we didn’t have Acura/Infiniti where I used to live and Lexus was a very small player.  RX and MDX look good.  So, is the MDX similar to a Honda Pilot or is it its own thing?  Good to know that the MDX has a more sophisticated AWD system too.  I guess my problem with spending big money (for me) on a pre-owned Lexus/Acura is that you’re looking at a 5/6 year old vehicle with about 4 years of use on it already, no warranty etc when you can get a new vehicle for not much more (granted it’s a Kia).

Point also taken on Mitsubishi, seems like it has been a dying brand for years and despite the Renault/Nissan alliance, they recently pulled out of Europe, so who knows how long they’ll stay in NA.  I sold Suzuki cars for a couple of years actually!  Well-engineered for the price and decent, non-pretentious cars that I found quite endearing but mostly smaller cars, so not so well suited to the NA market.  Kia/Hyundai is a pretty huge industrial powerhouse in comparison though, I don’t really see them going anywhere, I worry more for the big 3 (although less so Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram bizarrely, as they have the might of Stellantis behind them).  Jeep/Ram still very strong brands but maybe Chrysler/Dodge will fall by the wayside in the next few years?  Re Kia/Hyundai, a lot of my friends in the car industry seem to think they’re the “go to” option if you just want a decent non-enthusiast car and many now own or are contemplating owning them when they used to drive BMWs/Mercedes.  Useful information about the DCT on the Sorento though, I didn’t know that, seems like an odd choice on a car like that when even BMW M/Audi RS cars are going back to torque converter transmissions now.  I have to say that I though Kia/Hyundai were cheap crap 15 years ago but all the modern ones that I have driven have been quite impressive (I’d put them right up there with the Mazdas that I have driven).

Re VW, I’ve been really pleased with my Golf Sportwagen.  VW really imbued it with a high quality feel for a compact car and it (touchwood) hasn’t really missed a beat in the 4 years/80,000 or so km that I’ve had it.  It has been more reliable and less rattly than my 2013 Civic and significantly more refined/comfortable than my 2014 Corolla was.  I wouldn’t have too much of an issue in owning another VW but the Tiguan doesn’t excite me massively, as it doesn’t have a lot more power than my Golf for its extra girth and VW seemed to have cheaped out on a lot of things post-dieselgate, so the Tiguan/Atlas don’t quite have the same “premium” feel as my Golf has.  The Golf averages around 7L/100km, so I’m probably not going to beat that (our van averages about 11L/100km) but IIRC, I used to carpool with a guy who had a 2020 Highlander and he was averaging high 8s, which I thought was pretty decent for that type of vehicle, so improving on the GC should be possible.

I think that the LR4/original Volvo XC90 are probably two of the best designed 3-row vehicles ever in terms of utility but sadly both are getting on a bit now and their replacements seem to be less reliable (which I wouldn’t have though possible in the case of the Land Rover but it seems to be true)!  All I’m reading about the current Discovery Sport/Discovery/XC90 is engine failures and constant electrical issues, so although my desire is high for those vehicles, my head is telling me to keep walking!   

Live a little. Put that $45k to the best LR4 you can find.. ;D I will even accept if you get a supercharged V6 with the single speed transfer case. I have had a LR3 and then a LR4 in the stable for the past 14 years. Vehicle does everything. Rock crawls and floats down the highway in silence with an air coddled ride. You will pay to maintain and fuel it though, nothing comes for free. ;D

I sense this is about to drift towards a 4Runner...

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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2023, 03:59:30 pm »
Thanks.  Lots of good information there.  I guess when I think “premium”, I tend to automatically think of the European stuff, as we didn’t have Acura/Infiniti where I used to live and Lexus was a very small player.  RX and MDX look good.  So, is the MDX similar to a Honda Pilot or is it its own thing?  Good to know that the MDX has a more sophisticated AWD system too.  I guess my problem with spending big money (for me) on a pre-owned Lexus/Acura is that you’re looking at a 5/6 year old vehicle with about 4 years of use on it already, no warranty etc when you can get a new vehicle for not much more (granted it’s a Kia).

Point also taken on Mitsubishi, seems like it has been a dying brand for years and despite the Renault/Nissan alliance, they recently pulled out of Europe, so who knows how long they’ll stay in NA.  I sold Suzuki cars for a couple of years actually!  Well-engineered for the price and decent, non-pretentious cars that I found quite endearing but mostly smaller cars, so not so well suited to the NA market.  Kia/Hyundai is a pretty huge industrial powerhouse in comparison though, I don’t really see them going anywhere, I worry more for the big 3 (although less so Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram bizarrely, as they have the might of Stellantis behind them).  Jeep/Ram still very strong brands but maybe Chrysler/Dodge will fall by the wayside in the next few years?  Re Kia/Hyundai, a lot of my friends in the car industry seem to think they’re the “go to” option if you just want a decent non-enthusiast car and many now own or are contemplating owning them when they used to drive BMWs/Mercedes.  Useful information about the DCT on the Sorento though, I didn’t know that, seems like an odd choice on a car like that when even BMW M/Audi RS cars are going back to torque converter transmissions now.  I have to say that I though Kia/Hyundai were cheap crap 15 years ago but all the modern ones that I have driven have been quite impressive (I’d put them right up there with the Mazdas that I have driven).

Re VW, I’ve been really pleased with my Golf Sportwagen.  VW really imbued it with a high quality feel for a compact car and it (touchwood) hasn’t really missed a beat in the 4 years/80,000 or so km that I’ve had it.  It has been more reliable and less rattly than my 2013 Civic and significantly more refined/comfortable than my 2014 Corolla was.  I wouldn’t have too much of an issue in owning another VW but the Tiguan doesn’t excite me massively, as it doesn’t have a lot more power than my Golf for its extra girth and VW seemed to have cheaped out on a lot of things post-dieselgate, so the Tiguan/Atlas don’t quite have the same “premium” feel as my Golf has.  The Golf averages around 7L/100km, so I’m probably not going to beat that (our van averages about 11L/100km) but IIRC, I used to carpool with a guy who had a 2020 Highlander and he was averaging high 8s, which I thought was pretty decent for that type of vehicle, so improving on the GC should be possible.

I think that the LR4/original Volvo XC90 are probably two of the best designed 3-row vehicles ever in terms of utility but sadly both are getting on a bit now and their replacements seem to be less reliable (which I wouldn’t have though possible in the case of the Land Rover but it seems to be true)!  All I’m reading about the current Discovery Sport/Discovery/XC90 is engine failures and constant electrical issues, so although my desire is high for those vehicles, my head is telling me to keep walking!   

Live a little. Put that $45k to the best LR4 you can find.. ;D I will even accept if you get a supercharged V6 with the single speed transfer case. I have had a LR3 and then a LR4 in the stable for the past 14 years. Vehicle does everything. Rock crawls and floats down the highway in silence with an air coddled ride. You will pay to maintain and fuel it though, nothing comes for free. ;D

If he's willing to roll the dice on questionable Euro things, might as well get something with an AMG badge. I mean for $45k, thats a lot of MB you can get. If you are going to dabble in drugs, go all the way!!  ;D
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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2023, 04:10:40 pm »
Thanks.  Lots of good information there.  I guess when I think “premium”, I tend to automatically think of the European stuff, as we didn’t have Acura/Infiniti where I used to live and Lexus was a very small player.  RX and MDX look good.  So, is the MDX similar to a Honda Pilot or is it its own thing?  Good to know that the MDX has a more sophisticated AWD system too.  I guess my problem with spending big money (for me) on a pre-owned Lexus/Acura is that you’re looking at a 5/6 year old vehicle with about 4 years of use on it already, no warranty etc when you can get a new vehicle for not much more (granted it’s a Kia).

Point also taken on Mitsubishi, seems like it has been a dying brand for years and despite the Renault/Nissan alliance, they recently pulled out of Europe, so who knows how long they’ll stay in NA.  I sold Suzuki cars for a couple of years actually!  Well-engineered for the price and decent, non-pretentious cars that I found quite endearing but mostly smaller cars, so not so well suited to the NA market.  Kia/Hyundai is a pretty huge industrial powerhouse in comparison though, I don’t really see them going anywhere, I worry more for the big 3 (although less so Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram bizarrely, as they have the might of Stellantis behind them).  Jeep/Ram still very strong brands but maybe Chrysler/Dodge will fall by the wayside in the next few years?  Re Kia/Hyundai, a lot of my friends in the car industry seem to think they’re the “go to” option if you just want a decent non-enthusiast car and many now own or are contemplating owning them when they used to drive BMWs/Mercedes.  Useful information about the DCT on the Sorento though, I didn’t know that, seems like an odd choice on a car like that when even BMW M/Audi RS cars are going back to torque converter transmissions now.  I have to say that I though Kia/Hyundai were cheap crap 15 years ago but all the modern ones that I have driven have been quite impressive (I’d put them right up there with the Mazdas that I have driven).

Re VW, I’ve been really pleased with my Golf Sportwagen.  VW really imbued it with a high quality feel for a compact car and it (touchwood) hasn’t really missed a beat in the 4 years/80,000 or so km that I’ve had it.  It has been more reliable and less rattly than my 2013 Civic and significantly more refined/comfortable than my 2014 Corolla was.  I wouldn’t have too much of an issue in owning another VW but the Tiguan doesn’t excite me massively, as it doesn’t have a lot more power than my Golf for its extra girth and VW seemed to have cheaped out on a lot of things post-dieselgate, so the Tiguan/Atlas don’t quite have the same “premium” feel as my Golf has.  The Golf averages around 7L/100km, so I’m probably not going to beat that (our van averages about 11L/100km) but IIRC, I used to carpool with a guy who had a 2020 Highlander and he was averaging high 8s, which I thought was pretty decent for that type of vehicle, so improving on the GC should be possible.

I think that the LR4/original Volvo XC90 are probably two of the best designed 3-row vehicles ever in terms of utility but sadly both are getting on a bit now and their replacements seem to be less reliable (which I wouldn’t have though possible in the case of the Land Rover but it seems to be true)!  All I’m reading about the current Discovery Sport/Discovery/XC90 is engine failures and constant electrical issues, so although my desire is high for those vehicles, my head is telling me to keep walking!   

Live a little. Put that $45k to the best LR4 you can find.. ;D I will even accept if you get a supercharged V6 with the single speed transfer case. I have had a LR3 and then a LR4 in the stable for the past 14 years. Vehicle does everything. Rock crawls and floats down the highway in silence with an air coddled ride. You will pay to maintain and fuel it though, nothing comes for free. ;D

If he's willing to roll the dice on questionable Euro things, might as well get something with an AMG badge. I mean for $45k, thats a lot of MB you can get. If you are going to dabble in drugs, go all the way!!  ;D

Hire's $50k parts&labour "preventive maintenance" on his minty M5 is a sign of God that mere mortals who don't own their own shop shall not dabble in pretty German things...

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Re: What new/nearly new 3-row AWD crossover/SUV?
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2023, 06:00:33 pm »
Wouldn't a Hybrid Highlander be the way to go?
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...