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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2012, 08:36:18 am »
And it will STILL be the #1 selling family sedan (if not car) in the USA.

Someone else quoted the Altima for this title.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2012, 10:02:44 am »
I'm aware of toyotas engineering muscle
but D.I. motors were supposed to be 15 % better in mpg, doesn't seem to be in real world mileage the more I look .They do increase hp so thats something .
 
I am seeing the same thing. Not much fuel economy advantage in the DI real world tests so far. 

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2012, 11:17:05 am »
I am smack in the middle of the Camry's target market and the car has a lot of appeal to me. In late middle age, I do not need swoopy styling that will not age well. What I want is excellent visibility above all else. I had a Sonata rental recently and I had a very hard time seeing out of it. Better visibility means safer driving in my book.

I had  2010 Camry SE rental for two weeks and I can attest about the powertrain; it is smooth, has more than adequate power and delivers great fuel economy. All the controls were easy to find and use. The ride and handling mix was just about perfect for me. In fact, it is better in many way than my TL, which has a stiff ride and I cannot use the TL's power very often. In fact, almost never.

At this price for a loaded car, Toyota will do very well. When it is time to replace my TL, this car (lightly used, of course) will be high on my list of replacements. I look forward to driving one soon.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2012, 11:32:56 am »
i don't mind this car...i might take a peak at one when the time comes.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2012, 11:35:45 am »
Might be one of those contexts where the better value proposition is brand new.
i tried to tell my sister in law this when she wanted to buy a car last summer...she insisted on getting a Honda Civic (which is a very good car) and my only "concern" was the "lack of deal" she would get on it...in the end, she bought a 2007 with 60,000 kms on it for $14,200...it's a regular model (EX?) with auto and air...nothing else special on it...before she bought it, i told her she could get a 2012 for $17,500 (sure, there is the freight, but perhaps she could negotiate a tiny bit)...in the end, she wanted to save $3,300 and buy the 5 year old model with no warranty...dumb.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2012, 01:12:12 pm »
Might be one of those contexts where the better value proposition is brand new.
i tried to tell my sister in law this when she wanted to buy a car last summer...she insisted on getting a Honda Civic (which is a very good car) and my only "concern" was the "lack of deal" she would get on it...in the end, she bought a 2007 with 60,000 kms on it for $14,200...it's a regular model (EX?) with auto and air...nothing else special on it...before she bought it, i told her she could get a 2012 for $17,500 (sure, there is the freight, but perhaps she could negotiate a tiny bit)...in the end, she wanted to save $3,300 and buy the 5 year old model with no warranty...dumb.

For that kinda money I'd rather buy a 07-08 TSX with 80k.

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2012, 01:54:54 pm »
When it is time to replace my TL, this car (lightly used, of course) will be high on my list of replacements. I look forward to driving one soon.

I appreciate the sense of financial stewardship that goes into buying used cars but it seems to me that the used car market prices cars like Camrys on the assumption that they possess some sort of mystical eternal life (even the tires on Toyotas don't wear out ya know?).  Might be one of those contexts where the better value proposition is brand new.

Perhaps it might be case sometimes that buying new is a better proposition but having bought something like a dozen cars in my life (not including beaters!), I have found it financially prudent to buy a two year old, lightly used model and reap considerable savings. I felt confident that a two year old TL would stand up well and in the two years I have had it, this has been my experience. I saved 30% off a new one by buying a 2008 in 2010.Not many of the people in my life even had a inkling the car was used when the first saw it.

Judging by the metrics I see, a two year old Camry with 40,000 km on it would also be a good buy. The same would be the case for practically any of the family sedans on the market today. The money saved going to a used model would more than compensate for the cost of a comprehensive warranty. Not that I have ever bought one with a used car. On my 1996 BWM, I most certainly should have!

I might add, for cars like Civics and Fits, it doesn't make much sense to buy them used because the new ones are not a lot more expensive. One of my employees just leased a Civic LX automatic for like $260 a month all in. Hardly worth going used on that model. However, these cars are popular in Canada and are an exception.

I would also lease new German cars should I desire to drive one. The last German car I had I bought used and it was a real service nightmare.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2012, 10:30:34 pm »
I'm surprised that toyota gets better or the same mpg than a D.I. engine (Sonata)

http://www.fuelly.com/
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2012 Camry at 29.4
2012 Sonata 25.2

2011 Camry 27.1
2011 Sonata 27.1

Toyota's VVT-i and recent engine management systems sure seem to work magic.  They do have a hybrid DI system in the 3.5L engine as found in the IS350 that uses a combination of port injection and direct injection to maximize power and economy.  A nice side effect is the valve gear gets cleaned, unlike in a DI-only engine. I see this as the future of injection systems, but today, it means 2x the injectors, so cost is a bit more.

They retuned the Camry Hybrid and decreased fuel consumption by 30%.  !!  It now blows everyone away in terms of fuel economy.

Toyota might not be hiring the most avant garde designers, but their engineers have it going on.

My IS350 could hit 7s during a steady cruise....

That shouldn't be beyond expectations.  My BMW will do 7s on the highway too.

Minou, thanks for the heads' up on the French stuff -- I'll let the site owner know.


7s?!? how old are you...64?

I sure don't see it often.  Average is around 10.5L/100km.  But if I set the cruise at about 125 to head down to my parents' place for the weekend with luggage, wife and baby in car, the 7s are a breeze.
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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2012, 04:34:16 am »
It's a appliance or a car. I'm having a hard time with this one to tell the difference... :P

Are you sure about that? My Samsung appliances look better than 2012 Camry...

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2012, 02:27:15 pm »
my '11 sonata 2.4 gets around average of 6-7.5 on the highway, depending on hills etc..
It gets better milage than my '11 ACCENT In town its averaging 10.0

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Re: Test Drive: 2012 Toyota Camry XLE 4-cylinder
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2012, 03:58:26 pm »
 Speaking of camry's. They have really priced the camry hybrid more aggressively from the  previous model .
http://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/cah
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