Topic: TESLA Model III

[johngenx]

The blind support for this company is frightening.

People equate Tesla to Apple, which is ridiculous.  They might have their flaws, but Apple brings products to market and sell them and makes massive profits.

[johngenx]

That article is suspect a bit.  They talk like spot welding steel is some dark art.

No kidding.  Other makes have used steel in various strengths and aluminum without these issues for decades.  WTF?

[johngenx]

Except no one dies if your iPhone drops a call.

My daughter might disagree with that...

 

[Guy]

So I guess it would have been useful to build a number of pre-production units after all.

[rrocket]

So I guess it would have been useful to build a number of pre-production units after all.

...said just about everybody in the world who works in the business (and many who don't)....

[Guy]

So I guess it would have been useful to build a number of pre-production units after all.

...said just about everybody in the world who works in the business (and many who don't)....

Yup.

[CSH]

I was a big Telsa fan before the Model 3 fiasco started (Wiper controls, no streaming audio, product delays, racial harassment lawsuit, controversial firing of employees)
I still respect and admire Elon Musk.. but am losing my confidence in Tesla's ability to produce a "budget" electric car..not a budget car

Nissan... please bring out the 200 mile leaf soon or i will have to buy the bolt (although there may be nothing wrong with it...CR has Bolt as the most reliable Chevy model... i just have to convince myself to buy a Chevy that's not a Camaro or a vette either of which is not what i will need in a year or so)..

[EV Dan]

I was a big Telsa fan before the Model 3 fiasco started (Wiper controls, no streaming audio, product delays, racial harassment lawsuit, controversial firing of employees)
I still respect and admire Elon Musk.. but am losing my confidence in Tesla's ability to produce a "budget" electric car..not a budget car

Nissan... please bring out the 200 mile leaf soon or i will have to buy the bolt (although there may be nothing wrong with it...CR has Bolt as the most reliable Chevy model... i just have to convince myself to buy a Chevy that's not a Camaro or a vette either of which is not what i will need in a year or so)..

the question is, why would you spend 60-70k bucks on a car that is half baked?  sorry i'm not into being a beta tester for 60k thank you.  i'd wait to see what the big oems bring in the next year or 2. maybe nissan on the 25th will knock 1 out of the park.  audi e tron quattro?  jag i pace?  but i think these 2 are going to be really expensive.

IIRC the Leaf 2.0 with an LG 60kWh battery is coming for 2019MY. I think it will prove to be a no-compromise car. And then maybe a year later the eSUV, which is to be unveiled in a couple of days?

[johngenx]

Tick, tick, tick.  That's the clock ticking away on Tesla - time is limited until Toyota and Honda (especially Toyota) make some real gains in EV technology and start building well engineered, highly reliable, long range EVs.

If Tesla wants to survive long term, it's vitally important that the get the III right and start acting like a real mass production auto maker.  The niche market of the $150K cars works very differently than the <$50K market.

[ChaosphereIX]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

[CSH]

Half baked is the perfect desceiption for model 3 right now

[rrocket]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.....

[Guy]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

The current Volt is a very nice car.

[EV-Light]

Ops!

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-stock-price-could-have-to-raise-the-price-of-the-model-3-jpmorgan-says-2017-10-1005053891?utm_content=bufferb6df3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-bi


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[CanuckS2K]

I really want to like Tesla, but they are making it hard for me to.  From their crazy price point to shoddy build quality, to lack of simple features, it's really hard to take them seriously.  I've mentioned before that I can totally see myself buying my first EV in a couple of years, so we'll see how things change between now and then.  If I were to buy an EV today, Tesla wouldn't even remotely be on my radar. 

[ChaosphereIX]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.....

dont know if you are serious, or that was a thinly veiled attempt at a compliment/agreement...

[rrocket]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.....

dont know if you are serious, or that was a thinly veiled attempt at a compliment/agreement...

What will it take for you to finally throw in the towel?

[ChaosphereIX]

yup - it seems obvious they need to concentrate 100% on making the III a reliable car with expected features, and good production numbers. Not on 10 other projects for 2040...

If they keep screwing up the III, it will flop, and Tesla will be in huge trouble.

so why have they not done it yet?

I am seriously considering cancelling my order and just getting a used Volt until a better III alternative shows up.

Tesla, get your damn act together.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.....

dont know if you are serious, or that was a thinly veiled attempt at a compliment/agreement...

What will it take for you to finally throw in the towel?

if these early "oversights" end up being on my car [ie if I cannot play any of my own music, no radio]

or of the powertrain turns out to be not what was promised [range / power]

if I cannot spec a stripper model with a vegan interior with the colour and wheel choice I want

that is what it will take

so far...disgruntled and looking elsewhere for contingency options like a 2014 Volt etc.

[johngenx]

I really want to like Tesla, but they are making it hard for me to.

I want EVs to succeed and I love that Tesla is helping drive demand and technology - but they need to stop blue-skying the crap out of everything.

What shocks me is the number of people that assume that because Toyota isn't selling an EV that they're not working on models.  Whoops.  They're just not in the business of dropping experimental cars on people.  Look back to the original Prius.  Wow, it was a well sorted car - amazing considering the amount of new tech it has.  Those old little sedans are still driving around.  The RAV EV was ahead of it's time.

Toyota doesn't mind selling to early adopters, but they don't sell "beta version" products.  When they drop EVs on the market, they will be mass-sellable products that Toyota will make money on from day one.  These aren't halo cars.  They see EVs as the car equivalent to mass transit.

[rrocket]

I really want to like Tesla, but they are making it hard for me to.

I want EVs to succeed and I love that Tesla is helping drive demand and technology - but they need to stop blue-skying the crap out of everything.

What shocks me is the number of people that assume that because Toyota isn't selling an EV that they're not working on models.  Whoops.  They're just not in the business of dropping experimental cars on people.  Look back to the original Prius.  Wow, it was a well sorted car - amazing considering the amount of new tech it has.  Those old little sedans are still driving around.  The RAV EV was ahead of it's time.

Toyota doesn't mind selling to early adopters, but they don't sell "beta version" products.  When they drop EVs on the market, they will be mass-sellable products that Toyota will make money on from day one.  These aren't halo cars.  They see EVs as the car equivalent to mass transit.

But also important (for the car companies) is it has to be economically viable...it needs to make money. Remember, Toyota had the electric Rav4 back in 1997. It was reliable and had a range of 100 miles.

EVs need to be able to make money, or at the very worst, lose very little for them to continue to pursue them.