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The eCUB 2
« on: February 24, 2018, 11:06:57 am »


The eCub 2 is a retro electric motorcycle from the international team at Shanghai Customs, it combines the much loved Honda Super Cub chassis with an all-electric drivetrain including a 1000 Watt electric motor in the rear wheel hub, and a bespoke removable battery pack made up of Panasonic 3.7v 3.400 mAh lithium-ion 18650 cells.
The Takeover Of Electric Motorcycles In China

Love them or hate them, electric motorcycles are here to stay. They represent one of the fastest growing sectors of the global motorcycle market, particularly in the developing world. The benefits of electric power are significant – though the major drawback for most people is range.

In recent years China has largely banned the formerly ubiquitous internal combustion motorcycle/scooter from most of their large city centers. The pollution caused by millions of motorcycles each day was immense, compounded by the fact that many of them were two-strokes or poorly maintained four-strokes.

The switch from petrol to electric two-wheeled transportation was neck-snappingly rapid, many of these new electric motorcycles and bicycles were little more than regular bikes with a lead acid battery and a small hub motor. More advanced electric bikes, scooters, and motorcycles are being released each year – featuring lithium-ion batteries, more powerful electric motors, and much improved fit and finish.
The Shanghai Customs eCub 2 Retro Electric Motorcycle

Shanghai Customs (a wholly foreign-owned Chinese enterprise (WOFE)) have been developing their Cub-based electric motorcycle for the past two years, and the example you see here is their production-ready eCub version 2.

Being based in Shanghai has proven to be a great benefit to the team of expats headed by New Zealander Matthew Waddick. It’s allowed them to rapidly prototype new designs and parts, work with high-end boutique factories, and monitor quality and production. Every member of the team is fluent in Mandarin.

As the market in China and around the world for electric motorcycles has continued to develop there’s been an increasing demand for more luxurious and better looking models. Shanghai Customs are leading the charge in China for those who want a daily rideable electric motorcycle that doesn’t look like a mountain bike with a laptop battery bolted to the rear tray.

The Honda Super Cub is a motorcycle that needs no introduction – it’s the most prolifically produced motorized vehicle in history, and it’s been adopted nowhere more enthusiastically than China.
When developing the eCub it was decided to embrace the iconic stamped steel construction of the Super Cub, and to forgo the plastic guards (and the petrol motor of course). A new aluminum swingarm was designed to allow the width of the electric motor in the rear hub, the aforementioned Panasonic lithium-ion battery pack was designed to slide in under the seat where it would be easily removable for owners to take it inside with them for charging.

A retro LED headlight was chosen for the front to provide ample light with minimal battery draw, and the electrics were all hidden inside the frame to keep the styling as clean as possible.

A pair of adjustable shocks were fitted in the back to allow riders to dial in the handling to suit their tastes, and the eCUB 2’s onboard systems such as top and low speed, torque, regenerative braking, sport, and eco modes, and even reverse mode are all controlled on your smartphone that can be mounted where the speedometer is traditionally located.

The eCub 2 has a typical range of 40 kilometers at 45 km/h, that’s with an 80 kilogram rider. The overwhelming majority of people have daily commutes well under 40 kilometers – meaning an electric motorcycle is a viable option, and owner’s will never spend another dime on fuel.

If you’d like to see more from Shanghai Customs are enquire after ordering your own eCUB 2 or eCUB conversion kit for your old petrol Cub you can get in touch with them through their website here or via social media below.

The eCUB is available in Shanghai from mid April and the conversion kits available soon after.

https://silodrome.com/ecub-2-retro-electric-motorcycle/
« Last Edit: February 24, 2018, 11:08:58 am by EV Dan »
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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 05:47:28 pm »
This is an electric bicycle, not a motorcycle. I would be among the first to buy a 49cc equivalent electric scooter with a 1.5 kW continuous motor if Honda or another bigger name ever brought one here . It makes sense in that category, city runabout.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 06:18:26 pm »
It has no pedals.


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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 06:33:30 pm »
As far as ON is concerned it's a motorcycle, as it doesn't have functioning pedals and is over 500W in power. So you'd need to plate it, insure it, have a bike license to drive it and ... at this point it won't make sense, for me anyway.
The bike conversion kit on the other hand can be installed on anything and I can't see how they can prove it's over 500W  ;)

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 07:31:57 pm »
This is an electric bicycle, not a motorcycle. I would be among the first to buy a 49cc equivalent electric scooter with a 1.5 kW continuous motor if Honda or another bigger name ever brought one here . It makes sense in that category, city runabout.


This is an electric bicycle.....and I want one!




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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 07:35:15 pm »
I think the self-balancing unicycle things are amazing.

Got to see a KingSong 14d up close. Amazing piece of technology and reasonably priced too.
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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 08:20:52 pm »
As far as ON is concerned it's a motorcycle, as it doesn't have functioning pedals and is over 500W in power. So you'd need to plate it, insure it, have a bike license to drive it and ... at this point it won't make sense, for me anyway.
The bike conversion kit on the other hand can be installed on anything and I can't see how they can prove it's over 500W  ;)

Unless they put dot turn signals and license plate holder on it, I don’t think it’d be road legal at all.

They could sell it as a “500W” though.

On another note, I thought about getting a scooter with a blown motor and replacing the rear wheel with a wheel with an integrated 1500W or 2000W motor. 2000 exceeds what is consider a 49cc equivalent but who would notice? I could also speed govern it to 70 km/h and use the extra power strictly for hill climbing ability. Then put the battery where the engine was.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 09:23:05 pm »
As far as ON is concerned it's a motorcycle, as it doesn't have functioning pedals and is over 500W in power. So you'd need to plate it, insure it, have a bike license to drive it and ... at this point it won't make sense, for me anyway.
The bike conversion kit on the other hand can be installed on anything and I can't see how they can prove it's over 500W  ;)

Unless they put dot turn signals and license plate holder on it, I don’t think it’d be road legal at all.

They could sell it as a “500W” though.

On another note, I thought about getting a scooter with a blown motor and replacing the rear wheel with a wheel with an integrated 1500W or 2000W motor. 2000 exceeds what is consider a 49cc equivalent but who would notice? I could also speed govern it to 70 km/h and use the extra power strictly for hill climbing ability. Then put the battery where the engine was.
I was thinking along the same lines last year. There was a Honda Jazz (I think) for sale around here, a few years old, around $600 IIRC, in perfect condition. I thought to remove the engine and replace it with an alternator-size motor while using the same rear wheel, suspension and tranny. Then I realized that the amount of fabrication, skill and time it would take was a "bit" beyond of what I could afford. However, that freshly developed 48V Bosch scooter system that I posted about a few months back would technically be a perfect fit for such conversion, that is if they sold it retail and not exclusively to OEMs. I always wanted a high quality Japanese scooter and making it road and license-free "legal" would be an interesting challenge. I will keep my eyes peeled for that 48v system though, or an equivalent from a decent manufacturer.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 09:26:15 pm »

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 09:31:48 pm »
I saw some 72v systems in an EV scooter by a company called "Boom".

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 10:06:16 pm »
I saw some 72v systems in an EV scooter by a company called "Boom".

Yea, Boom has a 3000W Grom clone they claim has the same top speed as a gas Grom. I find it hard to believe seeing how 3000W is 4 HP but still cool.

I was thinking along the same lines last year. There was a Honda Jazz (I think) for sale around here, a few years old, around $600 IIRC, in perfect condition. I thought to remove the engine and replace it with an alternator-size motor while using the same rear wheel, suspension and tranny. Then I realized that the amount of fabrication, skill and time it would take was a "bit" beyond of what I could afford. However, that freshly developed 48V Bosch scooter system that I posted about a few months back would technically be a perfect fit for such conversion, that is if they sold it retail and not exclusively to OEMs. I always wanted a high quality Japanese scooter and making it road and license-free "legal" would be an interesting challenge. I will keep my eyes peeled for that 48v system though, or an equivalent from a decent manufacturer.

Problem is you’re going through the CVT putting it where the gas engine is. I’m not sure if there’s any benefit going through a belt vs. direct drive motor integrated into the rear wheel. Then there’d be room for batteries without sacrificing under seat storage (or sacrifice it to get better range)

I’m kicking myself for not doing an EV conversion when my Vino 125 motor blew. But it’s better to do a 49cc conversion so my wife would be able to ride it.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2018, 10:21:28 pm »
The only downsides to an in-wheel motor is higher unsprung weight and the need of a fork or a double arm mount, which the Jazz I mentioned did not have, I'm not sure about the Vino. Big plus is its efficiency and simplicity of course. Also, with ebay sold kits you don't know if power, speed and other claims are true. I've seen lots of bicycle conversion kits but none that have a scooter size wheel.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2018, 10:38:10 pm »




Yea, Boom has a 3000W Grom clone they claim has the same top speed as a gas Grom. I find it hard to believe seeing how 3000W is 4 HP but still cool.



Few guys have them on AdvRider and say they are indeed as fast a gas model


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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2018, 11:37:21 pm »
Scooter engines form part of the swing arm and as a result are already unsprung weight. Google something like 2000W or 3000W 10” or 12” wheel. Most come from Aliexpress or something. One example I found has a weight of 11kg, not terrible.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2018, 11:49:49 pm »
Scooter engines form part of the swing arm and as a result are already unsprung weight. Google something like 2000W or 3000W 10” or 12” wheel. Most come from Aliexpress or something. One example I found has a weight of 11kg, not terrible.
Will do. Did your Vino have a fork at the back?

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2018, 11:58:57 pm »
It had a single shock. I think this is true with most small scooters.

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2018, 08:16:58 am »

The bike conversion kit on the other hand can be installed on anything
Do you have any good link for a conversion kit ?

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2018, 11:12:19 am »

The bike conversion kit on the other hand can be installed on anything
Do you have any good link for a conversion kit ?

If you are catholic already then no  :P

What kind of bike do you want to covert? While front wheel conversions are the simplest to do, a full suspension bicycle with a rear wheel motor will be the most comfortable to ride. I haven't done it in a long while so I don't know who makes good kits. I'd search on ebay.ca and only from top-rated sellers.
One thing is by the time you added a Li-ion battery, it may be cost efficient to buy the whole e-bike locally, from costco or whatnot.
Kijiji is full of e-bike ads sold for a lot less money.
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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2018, 11:15:04 am »
ahha my brother is in Vietnam right now and buying a original Cub.  nice little bikes

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Re: The eCUB 2
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2018, 11:06:39 pm »
ahha my brother is in Vietnam right now and buying a original Cub.  nice little bikes
Worlds all time best selling vehicle, isn't it?