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Upside Down Major
« on: July 27, 2015, 11:08:50 pm »
At the first dealership I ever worked at there was a logbook at the Sales Manager's podium where the salespeople were supposed to record the customers they talked to along with some brief notes. On my very first day I was looking at the logbook and noticed that for one customer the salesman had wriiten "Upside Down Major." I couldn't figure out what it meant. Was the guy in the military? Had he rolled his car? I was finally told that it meant the the customer owed way more than his trade was worth.

So in honor of that bit of car biz jargon here is a thread about some of the more spectacular cases of people being Upside Down Major.

Upside down dude 'o the day:

Guy owns a 2011 Fusion, trying to trade it on a used Mustang. The Fusion has 180,000 km, is a 4 cyl/Auto, has been lowered, has ugly aftermarket rims, needs tires, driver's door handle doesn't work, has an $8000 accident history.

The car is worth $1500 wholesale. He owes $16,000.

He was approved up to $700/mo max at 13.99% (a reduction of 10% from his current loan). Still couldn't come within $250 of that payment over 84 mos. BTW, he was totally on board with a $700 payment but he thought $950 might be a bit too much.  ;D



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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 11:12:04 pm »
Damn we missed your stories when you were away Cord...

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2015, 11:17:10 pm »
OMG...
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2015, 12:22:02 am »
At the first dealership I ever worked at there was a logbook at the Sales Manager's podium where the salespeople were supposed to record the customers they talked to along with some brief notes. On my very first day I was looking at the logbook and noticed that for one customer the salesman had wriiten "Upside Down Major." I couldn't figure out what it meant. Was the guy in the military? Had he rolled his car? I was finally told that it meant the the customer owed way more than his trade was worth.

So in honor of that bit of car biz jargon here is a thread about some of the more spectacular cases of people being Upside Down Major.

Upside down dude 'o the day:

Guy owns a 2011 Fusion, trying to trade it on a used Mustang. The Fusion has 180,000 km, is a 4 cyl/Auto, has been lowered, has ugly aftermarket rims, needs tires, driver's door handle doesn't work, has an $8000 accident history.

The car is worth $1500 wholesale. He owes $16,000.

He was approved up to $700/mo max at 13.99% (a reduction of 10% from his current loan). Still couldn't come within $250 of that payment over 84 mos. BTW, he was totally on board with a $700 payment but he thought $950 might be a bit too much.  ;D

how the heck did this guy get into a $16k mess?....

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2015, 08:32:19 am »
I would like to hear about the other types of horror stories as well (like the defunct Believe It Or Not thread).   :popcorn:

Welcome back, Cord.  You were missed.  :)

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2015, 08:59:10 am »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.
You can't just have your characters announce how they feel.
That makes me feel angry!

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 09:10:51 am »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.

Lol. Oh Gawd..

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 09:51:47 am »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.

He probably started a thread on some forum titled Working the system and all his buddies are mocking us rate paying sheep.

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2015, 09:55:09 am »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.

I'm more concerned about the ~$2B/year the fossil fuels industry gets in subsidies. But, you know, that's just me.  ;D
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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2015, 10:03:00 am »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.

I'm more concerned about the ~$2B/year the fossil fuels industry gets in subsidies. But, you know, that's just me.  ;D

Hey you know gotta support that oil patch with crude down here at.....*checks screen* 47.24 USD

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 07:21:18 pm »
The joys of the clueless....do you laugh at their stupidity or cry over the fact that we will end up paying for their mistakes. 

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 07:26:53 pm »
You guys realize our tax money will keep this guy afloat some day right.

I'm more concerned about the ~$2B/year the fossil fuels industry gets in subsidies. But, you know, that's just me.  ;D

How many people in Canada does the oil industry employ vs the EV industry?  I forget.


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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 07:42:26 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2015, 07:52:39 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2015, 07:59:46 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

People never get that. The indirect services that support it are huge. 

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2015, 08:07:32 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

People never get that. The indirect services that support it are huge.


Care to compare oil/gas export vs auto exports?   ;D  I'm guessing very lopsided.

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2015, 08:38:19 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

People never get that. The indirect services that support it are huge.

I've seen how much beer 'you guys' can drink at the PDAC.  ;D

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2015, 08:43:41 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

People never get that. The indirect services that support it are huge.

I've seen how much beer 'you guys' can drink at the PDAC.  ;D


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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2015, 08:46:47 pm »
I wish mining got bailouts.

That was sorta my point.  No problem spending billions for 10,000 GM employees.

Kinda makes $2 billion to the oil industry seem stingy in comparison, eh?

People never get that. The indirect services that support it are huge.

I've seen how much beer 'you guys' can drink at the PDAC.  ;D

That's what they have instead of membership cards, isn't it, Snowy?  "Just bring the empty 12 pack within 1 hour to prove membership". 

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Re: Upside Down Major
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2015, 09:56:38 pm »
First thing this morning I have a nice Mitsu Evo to appraise. Base but nice car, 21000 km. Trade value: $30,000. Amount owing $48,000. Customer has owned it for two months.

The back story is worse than the facts: Boyfriend convinces girlfriend to trade in her SUV (don't know what), and co-sign the loan to buy Evo. Boyfriend loses his job, loses his driver's licence. girlfriend can't drive the manual trans Evo, and is now pregnant. Girlfriend's parents knew they'd be upside-down and were prepared to kick in a couple thousand. Massive stress inducing reality check for all involved, except me of course.  ;D

Note to parents: I have seen variations on this story play out many times over the years. If you have daughters, somehow beat it into their heads that they must never, ever co-sign for anybody's loan, especially a boyfriend's. And if you have sons, teach them not to be a worthless piece of chit that has to sponge off their girlfriend.