Topic: The car market is turning.

[bye]

apples to oranges.
Such disingenuous, nonsensical comparisons do zero for your credibility.

Do your own math and prove me wrong.   It's easy... you just need to know what you're talking about and have experience ... I'll be waiting with popcorn.

[rrocket]

apples to oranges.
Such disingenuous, nonsensical comparisons do zero for your credibility.

Do your own math and prove me wrong.   It's easy... you just need to know what you're talking about and have experience ... I'll be waiting with popcorn.

It's like me saying I save $10 million dollars a year driving a car.

Because I'm comparing it to an ocean liner's fuel bill.

[bye]

I compared the cost of a gas RV to the Lightning towing a trailer of the same size/capacity.
$500/fillup.   That is a factual amount for filling a 32' gas powered class A/B RV with same capacity as a 27' travel trailer.

I've easily spent $2K on fuel in a week of RV'ing.  EASY.

Now, I spend $90K on a truck I can drive in the city, and tow a massive trailer while spending a fraction on fuel, and in most cases, $200 in charging for the same trip that would cost me thousands in gas RV.

Typical RV rental is hundreds/day more than trailer rental, and those RV's suck to drive and live in compared to a trailer, especially when doing day trips when camping ... having to park and set up repeatedly is a pain compared to towing with a pickup that can unhook.   

If I didn't think it made financial sense, I would still do it, but the savings is real, many thousands per 4000 km one month trip.   Two trips like that per year and $5K savings/year adds up quick.   Campsite charging will eventually be handled some other way, but right now, campsites DO NOT charge extra because electricity is included with the site fee.  Blame the rules of the game, not the player.

[rrocket]

I compared the cost of a gas RV to the Lightning towing a trailer of the same size/capacity.
$500/fillup.   

Why such a disingenuous comparison?

Why not compare an ICE F-150/250 towing the same trailer? Almost literally apples to apples comparison in that case! You could not get a more relevant comparison if that's what you truly wanted in proving your point.

But no...you start comparing the gas cost of ICE RVs for some stupid reason.

[revalations]

We know EV’s are ridiculously inefficient at highway speeds. Now, the best truck ever built (naturally the Lightning) towing that 7500# at 120 on a sunny summer day with the A/C cranked and the box full, what can I expect?

210 km of towing range at 100 km/h.  I do the speed limit when driving a 20000 lb RV rig or 45 feet of truck and trailer.  You do you.
At 2 hours of towing range without charging, that's 5 days to cover 1000 km without needing to stop and pay to charge.
Retired life allows me to smell the roses along the way, to each their own.

  Calgary to Canmore?

100 km.  Yeah.  Even my 11 year old Tesla can make that on 30% of a battery ... but then again, you could just see that it doesn't matter how far you're driving, there is a supercharger on the route :
https://driveteslacanada.ca/canadian-supercharger-map/

All that power, but to use it to keep up with a gas truck is just going to land you at the very expensive charging station even sooner. That guy in the ICE truck is already at his campsite, set up, and enjoying a beverage by the fire without a single worry about changing anything but his flashlight. I have to pay how much for this EV bliss on holiday adventures?

Wishing those gas truck owners getting 6 mpg towing an 8000 lb trailer at 130 km/h happy motoring.  $36/100 km. 
The Lariat trim gas F150 with the same options (but SLOWER, LOUDER) vs Lightning are within a few thousand $ right now in Ontario.

WHEREAS, Tesla supercharging is $0.50/kWh.  100 km towing range is 75 kWh or $31 in electricity.   Cheaper than gas.

You do you indeed. I think you nailed it there. I most certainly don’t dislike EV’s. Some can live very comfortably with one, others cannot, I can see both for what they do and don’t do well. YMMV as with anything in life.

My ICE does not get 6mpg towing at 130k. Nor is it “noisy”, honestly I can’t even hear the engine at highway speeds. I’ll waste no time in trying to convince you of my vehicles merits over yours as this has been done by pretty much every single journalist that ever hooked a trailer up to a EV truck and set out on a trip.

[bye]

Why not compare an ICE F-150/250 towing the same trailer? Almost literally apples to apples comparison in that case! You could not get a more relevant comparison if that's what you truly wanted in proving your point

I literally did a handful of posts upthread.

Gas F150 towing 8000 lb trailer vs Lightning on Tesla supercharging network.   EV is cheaper.   Used numbers directly comparable.
BUT, a gas truck can't get refuelled as part of a campsite or hotel room rental like an EV can ... $0 is $0.

[rrocket]

I literally did a handful of posts upthread.

Which is why I have no idea why you silently pivot to talking about how much it costs to fill ICE RVs when previously you're talking about ICE pickups.

[ArticSteve]

It's like the Mustang V6 that he borrowed from the Dealer and alleged to be his GT, but forgot to cover the window sticker.   Fantasy posts.  It's a thing. 

[Great_Big_Abyss]

It's like the Mustang V6 that he borrowed from the Dealer and alleged to be his GT, but forgot to cover the window sticker.   Fantasy posts.  It's a thing. 

Different Guy.  You're thinking of EV-Light/Tauri.

[Allen]

It's like the Mustang V6 that he borrowed from the Dealer and alleged to be his GT, but forgot to cover the window sticker.   Fantasy posts.  It's a thing. 

Different Guy.  You're thinking of EV-Light/Tauri.

Your right  and bye used to go by SmartElectric

[dkaz]

I think this link should work if you want to add bye to your ignore list.

https://www.autos.ca/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore;

 

[ArticSteve]

It's like the Mustang V6 that he borrowed from the Dealer and alleged to be his GT, but forgot to cover the window sticker.   Fantasy posts.  It's a thing. 

Different Guy.  You're thinking of EV-Light/Tauri.

Me thinks it's the same guy.  Exact same attitude, language, and same none identifying photos.  We will agree to disagree as usual.   

[quadzilla]

At 2 hours of towing range without charging, that's 5 days to cover 1000 km without needing to stop and pay to charge.
Retired life allows me to smell the roses along the way, to each their own.

I'm also retired, I'm finishing up a 10,000 km road trip....So I would need to drive 50 days on top of what I'm doing? WTF?

I easily knocked off 1300 km today on my drive home.

[revalations]

At 2 hours of towing range without charging, that's 5 days to cover 1000 km without needing to stop and pay to charge.
Retired life allows me to smell the roses along the way, to each their own.

I'm also retired, I'm finishing up a 10,000 km road trip....So I would need to drive 50 days on top of what I'm doing? WTF?

I easily knocked off 1300 km today on my drive home.

But you probably had to spend $2000 in fuel and put up with a noisy, stinky, yesteryear ICE vehicle. Think how much better that trip would’ve been costing $0 and taking 3X as long to enjoy the scenery.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Hehe, the scenery through the midwest, eh?  So cornfields and more cornfields?  The odd meth house sprinkled here and there?

[tortoise]

I'm also retired, I'm finishing up a 10,000 km road trip....So I would need to drive 50 days on top of what I'm doing? WTF?

I easily knocked off 1300 km today on my drive home.

To be fair, those numbers were when towing. 

And I'm sure you could knock off a 1300 day km in an EV, just might take an extra hour or two.

A retired co-worker of mine did a trip from Ottawa to Victoria and back his his Model Y.  Said it was a non issue.

[Great_Big_Abyss]

Yeah, I've done 1300kms when not towing.  When towing, I"m not sure I could do that much.  It's significantly more tiring.  Still, I'd expect to be able to knock off 800-900kms a day when towing.

[Allen]

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/nissan-tells-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss/ar-BB1m6Y9e?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f3edc185a6224a7d90b7d8acb14b497e&ei=13

[WP v3.32]

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/nissan-tells-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss/ar-BB1m6Y9e?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f3edc185a6224a7d90b7d8acb14b497e&ei=13

I wonder how reliable is the transmission now that they dumped the CVT

[Dante]

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/other/nissan-tells-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss/ar-BB1m6Y9e?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f3edc185a6224a7d90b7d8acb14b497e&ei=13

I wonder how reliable is the transmission now that they dumped the CVT

Did they? I know the Pathfinder has an A/T but what about the rest of the line up? Don't they still use a CVT?