Topic: What Should FrauFarbissina Buy?

[dirtyjeffer]

I was suspicious of the low price, and now it's clear why it's so cheap.  $10K worth of front-end damage. 

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Honda/CR-V/Brampton/Ontario/5_30941730_ON20070924092442010/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_1

No thanks.

to be fair, $10k doesn't fix much these days...when we had our previous 2011 Elantra Touring, i hit the rear end of a Ram pickup after hitting black ice...because the truck was higher up, instead of hitting bumper to bumper (which would have resulted in zero damage), my grill hit his bumper...cracked grill, creased hood...still drivable and pretty minimal damage (i did manage to almost come to a stop when i hit it, going maybe 5 km/hr)...ended up taking it in anyway...$4500...i thought there was maybe $1000 damage...the point being, you'd be surprised how much it can cost to fix what really isn't that much damage...$4500 seems like it was a pretty massive front end accident, when really, there wasn't much damage at all.

[ltruong]

2017 RAV4 Hybrid AWD?
https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehicles/rav4/overview#/al/overview-models
 
Who knows, may it would be reliable as the Prius...?
No idea about its cruiser aptitude, comfort index, driving manners, etc or AWD aptitude but its fuel economy looks good

City/Highway/Combined L/100 km
ECVT 6.9 / 7.8 / 7.3

Hybrid System Net Power
Net HP: 194 hp (145 kW) (18)

2.5 Litre, 4-Cylinder, DOHC, 16-Valve, Variable Valve Timing
w/intelligence, Hybrid Synergy Drive, EV & ECO Modes,
Sport Mode

Source : Pdf Brochure from Toyota.ca

One of my neighbor has one and loves it.  He said he average 6.6L/100km(mostly city)....! he has limited AWD.   I also heard from couple people that  they are somewhat "Peppy"   the hybrid give a low end torque feeling.

Rav 4 Hybrid I'm pretty sure it's as reliable as the Prius... I don't think they would dare mess things up on the Rav 4 considering is one of their top selling vehicle.  local dealer told me Rav4 is over 25% of their total sales

[me_2]

One of my neighbor has one and loves it.  He said he average 6.6L/100km(mostly city)....! he has limited AWD.   I also heard from couple people that  they are somewhat "Peppy"   the hybrid give a low end torque feeling.

Rav 4 Hybrid I'm pretty sure it's as reliable as the Prius... I don't think they would dare mess things up on the Rav 4 considering is one of their top selling vehicle.  local dealer told me Rav4 is over 25% of their total sales

That is impressive for such vehicle, I guess...

[johngenx]

The reality is that Toyota RAVs and Honda CR-Vs are the most desirable CUVs on the used market, and therefore command high prices.  People can crow about "perceived quality" but stats bear out the fact that those two are the best made most reliable CUVs on the market.

[ArticSteve]

2017 RAV4 Hybrid AWD?
https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehicles/rav4/overview#/al/overview-models
 
Who knows, may it would be reliable as the Prius...?
No idea about its cruiser aptitude, comfort index, driving manners, etc or AWD aptitude but its fuel economy looks good

City/Highway/Combined L/100 km
ECVT 6.9 / 7.8 / 7.3

Hybrid System Net Power
Net HP: 194 hp (145 kW) (18)

2.5 Litre, 4-Cylinder, DOHC, 16-Valve, Variable Valve Timing
w/intelligence, Hybrid Synergy Drive, EV & ECO Modes,
Sport Mode

Source : Pdf Brochure from Toyota.ca

One of my neighbor has one and loves it.  He said he average 6.6L/100km(mostly city)....! he has limited AWD.   I also heard from couple people that  they are somewhat "Peppy"   the hybrid give a low end torque feeling.

Rav 4 Hybrid I'm pretty sure it's as reliable as the Prius... I don't think they would dare mess things up on the Rav 4 considering is one of their top selling vehicle.  local dealer told me Rav4 is over 25% of their total sales

You both are suggesting a $40K vehicle tax in  vehicle   

The RAV is akin to the 2017 Camry Hybrid which is dead reliable.   The 2018 Camry Hybrid will receive an even better powertrain and that will probably show up latter in the 2019 RAV Hybrid. 

[EV Dan]

2017 RAV4 Hybrid AWD?
https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehicles/rav4/overview#/al/overview-models
 
Who knows, may it would be reliable as the Prius...?
No idea about its cruiser aptitude, comfort index, driving manners, etc or AWD aptitude but its fuel economy looks good

City/Highway/Combined L/100 km
ECVT 6.9 / 7.8 / 7.3

Hybrid System Net Power
Net HP: 194 hp (145 kW) (18)

2.5 Litre, 4-Cylinder, DOHC, 16-Valve, Variable Valve Timing
w/intelligence, Hybrid Synergy Drive, EV & ECO Modes,
Sport Mode

Source : Pdf Brochure from Toyota.ca

One of my neighbor has one and loves it.  He said he average 6.6L/100km(mostly city)....! he has limited AWD.   I also heard from couple people that  they are somewhat "Peppy"   the hybrid give a low end torque feeling.

Rav 4 Hybrid I'm pretty sure it's as reliable as the Prius... I don't think they would dare mess things up on the Rav 4 considering is one of their top selling vehicle.  local dealer told me Rav4 is over 25% of their total sales

You both are suggesting a $40K vehicle tax in  vehicle   

The RAV is akin to the 2017 Camry Hybrid which is dead reliable.   The 2018 Camry Hybrid will receive an even better powertrain and that will probably show up latter in the 2019 RAV Hybrid.

I think I heard Toyota saying 20% mpg improvement for the new Camry Hybrid. I wonder HOW it will be achieved...

[Brig]

CX-3?  0% financing right now, too.  It's also the size that I want.

[mmret]

CX-3?  0% financing right now, too.  It's also the size that I want.

That car is comically small. You sure?

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[Brig]

CX-3?  0% financing right now, too.  It's also the size that I want.

That car is comically small. You sure?

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I don't need a Santa Fe-sized ride anymore.  This is why I was already looking to unload before "the troubles" began.  CX-3, HR-V, Soul, etc. is where I'm going now.  90% of the time, it's just me going to work or coming home.  I'd add the Trax to the list, but I just don't like it, as I drove the Encore for a week and hated it.  Crosstrek was the perfect size - shame about the suicidal lack of acceleration.

So, if I think of the attributes that I want:

1.  Must be hatchback
2.  Must have more ground clearance than a sedan
3.  Must have a raised seating position - I don't want to "fall down" into the seat to get in.
4.  Must be moderately peppy at highway speeds
5.  Must be naturally aspirated

I don't even know if such a thing exists.

[quadzilla]

So, if I think of the attributes that I want:

1.  Must be hatchback
2.  Must have more ground clearance than a sedan
3.  Must have a raised seating position - I don't want to "fall down" into the seat to get in.
4.  Must be moderately peppy at highway speeds
5.  Must be naturally aspirated

I don't even know if such a thing exists.

Good luck with getting all of those things.

The CX3 is very small, makes my Golf feel big. Check out the trunk on the CX3, good luck loading up a few backpacks, boots and other things. If people sit in the front, only kids can fit in the back.

I know everybody shits on the Crosstrek for power but I share rides with somebody that has on and it isn't horrible. Sure you won't be passing 5 cars in a row on back roads but power is reasonable for getting up to 70-80 kph. You should really test drive one. And if the Crosstrek is slow then all of the other small crossovers are equally as slow so you won't like any of them.

[me_2]

I don't need a Santa Fe-sized ride anymore.  This is why I was already looking to unload before "the troubles" began.  CX-3, HR-V, Soul, etc. is where I'm going now.  90% of the time, it's just me going to work or coming home.  I'd add the Trax to the list, but I just don't like it, as I drove the Encore for a week and hated it.  Crosstrek was the perfect size - shame about the suicidal lack of acceleration.

So, if I think of the attributes that I want:

1.  Must be hatchback
2.  Must have more ground clearance than a sedan
3.  Must have a raised seating position - I don't want to "fall down" into the seat to get in.
4.  Must be moderately peppy at highway speeds
5.  Must be naturally aspirated

I don't even know if such a thing exists.

FWD or AWD?
Budget avg (new/used)?
Soul EV considered even if point 5 not applicable? 

My neighbour has a Honda HRV, she seems to like it.

[dirtyjeffer]

So, if I think of the attributes that I want:

1.  Must be hatchback
2.  Must have more ground clearance than a sedan
3.  Must have a raised seating position - I don't want to "fall down" into the seat to get in.
4.  Must be moderately peppy at highway speeds
5.  Must be naturally aspirated

I don't even know if such a thing exists.

Good luck with getting all of those things.

The CX3 is very small, makes my Golf feel big. Check out the trunk on the CX3, good luck loading up a few backpacks, boots and other things. If people sit in the front, only kids can fit in the back.

I know everybody shits on the Crosstrek for power but I share rides with somebody that has on and it isn't horrible. Sure you won't be passing 5 cars in a row on back roads but power is reasonable for getting up to 70-80 kph. You should really test drive one. And if the Crosstrek is slow then all of the other small crossovers are equally as slow so you won't like any of them.

QFT.

i've driven by some CX-3 vehicles while in my Rio5...they aren't much bigger than my car...just make sure that size is ok for you...it might be fine, i don't need a big car either, but i think some people overestimate the size of the CX-3 because it's called a CUV.

[Brig]

Good luck with getting all of those things.

The CX3 is very small, makes my Golf feel big. Check out the trunk on the CX3, good luck loading up a few backpacks, boots and other things. If people sit in the front, only kids can fit in the back.

I know everybody shits on the Crosstrek for power but I share rides with somebody that has on and it isn't horrible. Sure you won't be passing 5 cars in a row on back roads but power is reasonable for getting up to 70-80 kph. You should really test drive one. And if the Crosstrek is slow then all of the other small crossovers are equally as slow so you won't like any of them.

Thanks, D.  I did test drive the Crosstrek.  However, it was a super-cold morning in February, and I'm told that this may have contributed to the pokiness when merging onto the highway.  The sales guy didn't really let it warm up before we took off.

Perhaps I should take a second look.  I really wanted to like it.

[quadzilla]

Thanks, D.  I did test drive the Crosstrek.  However, it was a super-cold morning in February, and I'm told that this may have contributed to the pokiness when merging onto the highway.  The sales guy didn't really let it warm up before we took off.

Perhaps I should take a second look.  I really wanted to like it.

I'm sure it wasn't the cold, more like the 148 hp, CVT and your expectations. But this is no slower than a TDI, Corolla, regular Mazda3, HRV, etc. and all those cars are able to drive on the hwy.

I really like the Crosstrek a lot but won't deny, I wish you could get it with the 2.5, I'd even pay extra for that.

I know you don't want a turbo but too bad VW doesn't give us the lower trim levels for the Alltrack. Think that would be your sweet spot for everything else on your list. Personally, I find the full load too expensive.

[Serniter]

The Crosstrek does 0-60 mph in 10.3 seconds
http://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/crosstrek

Passat TDI, in 8.3 seconds
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-volkswagen-passat-tdi-diesel-long-term-test-review

[quadzilla]

Personally I prefer 5-60 rolling starts, closer to real world.

Passat TDI

Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 9.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.2 sec

Crosstrek
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 10.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.7 sec

2017 Corolla

Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.1 sec

They are all very similar. None will win a race but nothing wrong with them.

[Weels]

Thanks, D.  I did test drive the Crosstrek.  However, it was a super-cold morning in February, and I'm told that this may have contributed to the pokiness when merging onto the highway.  The sales guy didn't really let it warm up before we took off.

Perhaps I should take a second look.  I really wanted to like it.

I'm sure it wasn't the cold, more like the 148 hp, CVT and your expectations. But this is no slower than a TDI, Corolla, regular Mazda3, HRV, etc. and all those cars are able to drive on the hwy.

I really like the Crosstrek a lot but won't deny, I wish you could get it with the 2.5, I'd even pay extra for that.

It may have been the cold.
With ours on really cold days it does feel very slow until fully warmed up.  It is one of the quirks on our 2014. 
The CVT is the worst part of our Crosstrek.  Followed closely by the cheap interior.  The interior looks better on the new ones, but the CVT i'm not so sure.

You should probably give the Crosstrek another shot, if that's the size of vehicle you're wanting.   I was going to suggest an Acura RDX, but too big I assume.  Should be decently reliable, and V6...

The CX-3 is tiny.  We looked at those when having a look at the new CX-5.  The 3 is a lot smaller than the Crosstrek... the 5 a bit bigger.

[EV Dan]

CX-3?  0% financing right now, too.  It's also the size that I want.

Don't kid yourself 

http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Lexus/RX/Markham/Ontario/5_30255834_ON20071001105925155/?ursrc=hl&showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=15_15_36

[tortoise]

+1 on the RDX.

They really aren't that big.

There's lots to choose from and Acura has decent financing on the CPO's.

[Serniter]

Personally I prefer 5-60 rolling starts, closer to real world.

Passat TDI

Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 9.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.2 sec

Crosstrek
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 10.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 5.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.7 sec

2017 Corolla

Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.1 sec

They are all very similar. None will win a race but nothing wrong with them.

Agreed.