Topic: New VW Battery Plant in Ontario

[ArticSteve]

The FEDS and Ontario should have received an equity stake in VW AG for the Billion dollar upfront grant.

They should also delay construction until the next President is known.  If it's that wack job Trump, which appears to be a possibility, then watch out all things Canadian.

[rrocket]

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Canada can do jack shite about gobal warming with it's share of world population at .48%   

Amazingly many people cannot figure that out be it those with or without a science back ground.

Love when smart (allegedly) people  then say "But China is cleaner because their per capita emissions is lower!

China 12 billion tons of emissions.

Canada 650 million tons of emissions.

Newsflash: climate doesn't care if 12 billion tons of emissions came from 1 country, 1 person or 12 billion people.

The fact as as long as China is belching out amounts like that, nothing Canada does will make a difference..regardless of extravagant amounts of virtue signaling.

[Allen]

 

[Ontariodriver]

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Canada can do jack shite about gobal warming with it's share of world population at .48%   

Amazingly many people cannot figure that out be it those with or without a science back ground.

Love when smart (allegedly) people  then say "But China is cleaner because their per capita emissions is lower!

China 12 billion tons of emissions.

Canada 650 million tons of emissions.

Newsflash: climate doesn't care if 12 billion tons of emissions came from 1 country, 1 person or 12 billion people.

The fact as as long as China is belching out amounts like that, nothing Canada does will make a difference..regardless of extravagant amounts of virtue signaling.

The issue of climate change often places the blame on individuals, which can divert our attention away from the true root causes such as the actions of major industries, particularly big oil. It is important to recognize and address the larger systemic factors at play in order to effectively combat climate change.

[ArticSteve]

"BIG OIL" vs small oil?    The only thing keeping the loonie from sinking to 50 cents USD is Canadian Oil.  Don't wish for it's demise.  Canada has nothing else to offer the world besides a few global business jets that run on OIL and Potash that isn't doing particularly well which runs on OIL.

Mineral extraction for EV batteries runs on OIL.  70% of food production, processing and delivery runs on OIL.

[Ontariodriver]

"BIG OIL" vs small oil?    The only thing keeping the loonie from sinking to 50 cents USD is Canadian Oil.  Don't wish for it's demise.  Canada has nothing else to offer the world besides a few global business jets that run on OIL and Potash that isn't doing particularly well which runs on OIL.

Mineral extraction for EV batteries runs on OIL.  70% of food production, processing and delivery runs on OIL.

It's important to recognize that both big and small oil have a significant impact on the Canadian economy, and the country's reliance on oil is a complex issue that goes beyond simply wishing for its demise. However, it's worth noting that Canada has a wealth of natural resources beyond just oil, including minerals, timber, and renewable energy sources like hydro and wind power. Additionally, as the world shifts towards renewable energy, Canada has the potential to become a leader in clean energy innovation and production. While it's true that many industries rely on oil in some capacity, it's also important to recognize the negative impacts of fossil fuels on the environment and explore alternative solutions.

[No H2O]

All these Climate Change Experts sitting on this government panel are clueless and probably grossly overpaid...its hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfrKNR3K2k

[No H2O]

While it's true that many industries rely on oil in some capacity, it's also important to recognize the negative impacts of fossil fuels on the environment and explore alternative solutions.

In which case Justin Trudeau should stay home, fly less and get on Zoom meetings. Lead by example instead of BS!

[Ontariodriver]

While it's true that many industries rely on oil in some capacity, it's also important to recognize the negative impacts of fossil fuels on the environment and explore alternative solutions.

In which case Justin Trudeau should stay home, fly less and get on Zoom meetings. Lead by example instead of BS!

Canada has in the past, the adoption of the Montreal Protocol in 1987 helped to reduce the production and consumption of ozone-depleting substances and led to a significant decrease in the size of the ozone hole. Similarly, international efforts to address acid rain in the 1980s and 1990s helped to reduce sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions, resulting in improved air quality.

I personally think that Trudeau is simply riding on the legacy of his father and has caused significant harm to the country. As a result, Canada has become increasingly unaffordable, much like the UK. However, it is important to note that the Conservative party has a worse track record when it comes to taking action on climate change. In particular, Pierre Poilievre's hard right and far-right policies would likely make Canada even worse. This is just my opinion, though

[No H2O]

I personally think that Trudeau is simply riding on the legacy of his father and has caused significant harm to the country. As a result, Canada has become increasingly unaffordable, much like the UK.

I know my friend thinks we need real change. change that will, make a difference. I feel the same way.

First of all, our government at all levels are far too big with countless BS offices that are totally useless. Just to name a very few: CRTC, Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commsission, Governor General, excuse me, but who gets an expense account after you leave the office and for 6 months after passing away?. Who the eff voted that in, certainly not a taxpayer aka as a commoner. As for the CBC, fund yourself but we have all these bleeding hearts because it has the word "Canadian" in CBC and furthermore, report the facts.

Why do we have 338 MPs (or 443 if you include senators) when Australia has 151 MPs (or 227 if you include senators) with nearly equal land sizes and population (37M vs 27M); actually you can live in all of Oz.

I am justy tired of the BS and corruption in this country and I was born here. Don't talk to me about the corruption in some banana republic, because for a modern country like Canada, it is almost as bad with no consequences. If you did that, you'd be in jail.

May the wings fall off of Justin's aircraft. If they do, I'll raise a glass of wine.

[Allen]

Change on our behalf is useless unless China, India, Russia and 3rd world nations fully buy in, otherwise  we are spinning our wheels and inflicting huge costs on ourselves for nothing

[Ontariodriver]

Why do we have 338 MPs (or 443 if you include senators) when Australia has 151 MPs (or 227 if you include senators) with nearly equal land sizes and population (37M vs 27M); actually you can live in all of Oz.

The number of MPs and senators in each country is determined by their respective political systems. Canada's parliamentary system is based on the British model,  Australia, on the other hand, has a different system of government that has led to a smaller number of representatives. It's worth noting that the size of a country's parliament does not necessarily reflect its effectiveness or efficiency in governing.

Change on our behalf is useless unless China, India, Russia and 3rd world nations fully buy in, otherwise  we are spinning our wheels and inflicting huge costs on ourselves for nothing

Even if we do not achieve immediate global buy-in, every step we take towards a more sustainable future is a step in the right direction. it has to be. 

[Allen]

Why do we have 338 MPs (or 443 if you include senators) when Australia has 151 MPs (or 227 if you include senators) with nearly equal land sizes and population (37M vs 27M); actually you can live in all of Oz.

The number of MPs and senators in each country is determined by their respective political systems. Canada's parliamentary system is based on the British model,  Australia, on the other hand, has a different system of government that has led to a smaller number of representatives. It's worth noting that the size of a country's parliament does not necessarily reflect its effectiveness or efficiency in governing.

Change on our behalf is useless unless China, India, Russia and 3rd world nations fully buy in, otherwise  we are spinning our wheels and inflicting huge costs on ourselves for nothing

Even if we do not achieve immediate global buy-in, every step we take towards a more sustainable future is a step in the right direction. it has to be. 

Sorry don't buy into this BS... I worked hard for my money and what I have, it pi$$es me off to be fleeced by the government for no return

[rrocket]

Even if we do not achieve immediate global buy-in, every step we take towards a more sustainable future is a step in the right direction. it has to be. 

Except it's not....

[ktm525]

A few points but this is devolving into the politics thread lol.

1) CO2 is not pollution
2) We have so many MPs because of the Maritimes and Quebec. They won't take away reps in those areas but as we add population elsewhere they need to add MPs.
3) The EU dreamt up a whole convoluted crisis and system because they realize they have NO ENERGY. Germany tried to do an end round and ended up as Russia's bi$%^. Now they are burning lignite. Wow . Screwed up times. 

If it was truly a climate emergency we would ban flying to start. But that ain't going to happen... The rest is just theatre.

[Ontariodriver]

Even if we do not achieve immediate global buy-in, every step we take towards a more sustainable future is a step in the right direction. it has to be. 

Except it's not....

What do you suggest?  Do nothing, hope for the best.

A few points but this is devolving into the politics thread lol.

1) CO2 is not pollution
2) We have so many MPs because of the Maritimes and Quebec. They won't take away reps in those areas but as we add population elsewhere they need to add MPs.
3) The EU dreamt up a whole convoluted crisis and system because they realize they have NO ENERGY. Germany tried to do an end round and ended up as Russia's bi$%^. Now they are burning lignite. Wow . Screwed up times. 

If it was truly a climate emergency we would ban flying to start. But that ain't going to happen... The rest is just theatre.

CO2 is indeed considered pollution by many scientists and environmentalists as it is a greenhouse gas that contributes to climate change. While it is a naturally occurring gas, human activities such as burning fossil fuels have caused an increase in atmospheric CO2 concentrations that are leading to adverse effects on the environment. The European Union has taken various measures to address climate change, including the establishment of the Emissions Trading System, which seeks to limit greenhouse gas emissions from industries. While it is true that some EU member states, including Germany, have faced challenges in transitioning to renewable energy sources, it is inaccurate to suggest that the EU fabricated a crisis or lacks energy resources. The transition to a low-carbon economy is a complex process that requires time and investment.

In Canada, the number of Members of Parliament is determined by the Constitution and is based on a formula that takes into account both population and the number of ridings in each province. While some regions may have a greater number of MPs than others, this is not necessarily due to political motivations, but rather reflects the country's constitutional framework. The goal is to ensure fair representation for all citizens, regardless of their geographic location or political affiliation.

In terms of your statement about banning flying, this is a contentious issue, and there are arguments both for and against it. While reducing air travel could help to decrease carbon emissions, it could also have significant economic and social impacts. Additionally, there are other ways to address climate change, such as transitioning to renewable energy sources, improving energy efficiency, and adopting sustainable transportation solutions.

[Allen]

"Canadas population is equivalent to 0.48% of the total world population. Canada ranks number 39 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population."

our efforts are useless without the rest of the world onboard and that's never going to happen..

[Ontariodriver]

"Canadas population is equivalent to 0.48% of the total world population. Canada ranks number 39 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population."

our efforts are useless without the rest of the world onboard and that's never going to happen..

It's true that achieving global cooperation on climate change is a complex and challenging task, but progress can still be made through collaborative efforts and individual actions. Every effort counts, and by working together, we can create a more sustainable future for all.

[Woodrow]

A few points but this is devolving into the politics thread lol.

1) CO2 is not pollution
2) We have so many MPs because of the Maritimes and Quebec. They won't take away reps in those areas but as we add population elsewhere they need to add MPs.
3) The EU dreamt up a whole convoluted crisis and system because they realize they have NO ENERGY. Germany tried to do an end round and ended up as Russia's bi$%^. Now they are burning lignite. Wow . Screwed up times. 

If it was truly a climate emergency we would ban flying to start. But that ain't going to happen... The rest is just theatre.

It is theatre. Agreed if there was a climate crisis they’d ban cruises and private jets immediately.

Yes humans have contributed to the changing of the climate and we should address this but as always this should happen in a common sense educated manner. This screaming of the world is going to end is plain stupid and anyone with half a brain knows it’s  theatre.

You can’t have a serious discussion about the climate if nuclear energy isn’t front and Center of the discussion.

[Ontariodriver]

A few points but this is devolving into the politics thread lol.

1) CO2 is not pollution
2) We have so many MPs because of the Maritimes and Quebec. They won't take away reps in those areas but as we add population elsewhere they need to add MPs.
3) The EU dreamt up a whole convoluted crisis and system because they realize they have NO ENERGY. Germany tried to do an end round and ended up as Russia's bi$%^. Now they are burning lignite. Wow . Screwed up times. 

If it was truly a climate emergency we would ban flying to start. But that ain't going to happen... The rest is just theatre.

It is theatre. Agreed if there was a climate crisis they’d ban cruises and private jets immediately.

Oh but there is, but it won't be end of the planet. It maybe the end of us. The planet will move on. While certain actions like banning cruises and private jets may be effective in reducing emissions in the short term, a more comprehensive approach is necessary to achieve long-term sustainability and address the root causes of climate change.