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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2021, 02:26:51 pm »
My father in law has a 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L in Newfoundland.  This wouldn't interest him in the least, not because it isn't fast enough, or can't tow or carry what he needs, but simply because he can't take a road trip from where they are to NB to see us or to ON to visit their grand kids. 

So Ford has a hybrid and now a fully electric F-150.  Would it be wrong of me to think that a PHEV version would likely do very well also, maybe something that has 50-60km of electric range, but a total range of over 500kms with the gas engine?
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Yea, right!

They've been saying this for YEARS.

And when they do, it's likely going to be basic Level 2 stuff.

When the Volt came out, the govt said Windsor would be a "pilot project" for electrification infrastructure.

It still hasn't happened.

The Lightning is supposed to start selling next year...you actually think any significant infrastructure will happen within a years time? I don't...
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2021, 02:28:37 pm »
My father in law has a 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L in Newfoundland.  This wouldn't interest him in the least, not because it isn't fast enough, or can't tow or carry what he needs, but simply because he can't take a road trip from where they are to NB to see us or to ON to visit their grand kids. 

It's going to be equipped with a minimum 150 kW charger, we're obviously hoping for closer to 300 kW charger. With the 150 kW battery on a 1000 km trip starting from full, one is probably going to recharge twice for a total of 43 minutes. 43 minutes of rest time is not unreasonable for a 1000 km trip. If the charger is only 150 kW, it's going to be a tougher sell as the recharge time will be 86 minutes total.

My FIL is an ex trucker, he wants to be on the road, not sitting at a gas station waiting for his truck to recharge.  He'd be much better off getting a diesel but can't convince him to buy anything but a V8 because he's "old school".

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2021, 02:30:07 pm »
If I was shopping for a truck and a PHEV was available at a reasonable price, it would likely be the direction I would go.  I get the appeal of having decent electric-only range for the daily commute, but I also don't want my truck to be compromised for the weekend trip.

I'm really hoping this is the direction Toyota goes with the Tundra.  A Tundra Prime, so to speak. 

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2021, 02:30:27 pm »
My father in law has a 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L in Newfoundland.  This wouldn't interest him in the least, not because it isn't fast enough, or can't tow or carry what he needs, but simply because he can't take a road trip from where they are to NB to see us or to ON to visit their grand kids. 

It's going to be equipped with a minimum 150 kW charger, we're obviously hoping for closer to 300 kW charger. With the 150 kW battery on a 1000 km trip starting from full, one is probably going to recharge twice for a total of 43 minutes. 43 minutes of rest time is not unreasonable for a 1000 km trip. If the charger is only 150 kW, it's going to be a tougher sell as the recharge time will be 86 minutes total.

My FIL is an ex trucker, he wants to be on the road, not sitting at a gas station waiting for his truck to recharge.  He'd be much better off getting a diesel but can't convince him to buy anything but a V8 because he's "old school".
He'd be better off with the F150 hybrid IMO....

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2021, 02:31:00 pm »
If I was shopping for a truck and a PHEV was available at a reasonable price, it would likely be the direction I would go.  I get the appeal of having decent electric-only range for the daily commute, but I also don't want my truck to be compromised for the weekend trip.

I'm really hoping this is the direction Toyota goes with the Tundra.  A Tundra Prime, so to speak.
Yep....which is why people are hoping for a Tundra Prime

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2021, 02:32:31 pm »
Range anxiety is obviously a huge issue for some consumers.  But once you push the range out to 500
m, that has just got to mitigate the concern for most people.
My pick up gets less than 600 km on a fill
So a 500/ 600 km range would be great

How quickly can this recharge ?

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2021, 02:35:12 pm »
My father in law has a 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L in Newfoundland.  This wouldn't interest him in the least, not because it isn't fast enough, or can't tow or carry what he needs, but simply because he can't take a road trip from where they are to NB to see us or to ON to visit their grand kids. 

So Ford has a hybrid and now a fully electric F-150.  Would it be wrong of me to think that a PHEV version would likely do very well also, maybe something that has 50-60km of electric range, but a total range of over 500kms with the gas engine?
Today — this is totally right. The Feds are going to dump a lot of tax payer money to build the infra, so in a future not so distant…this will definitely be a non-issue.


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Yea, right!

They've been saying this for YEARS.

And when they do, it's likely going to be basic Level 2 stuff.

When the Volt came out, the govt said Windsor would be a "pilot project" for electrification infrastructure.

It still hasn't happened.

The Lightning is supposed to start selling next year...you actually think any significant infrastructure will happen within a years time? I don't...
Its the government, think decades, not months

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2021, 02:39:12 pm »
Hoping there's a difference in content - that heat pump for one. On the Niro, you have to pay an extra 9k$ to get it thanks to a mandatory trim upgrade.

Edit - commercial version bases at 39,974 USD, XLT at 52,974 USD, max is 90,474 USD. Comparing the 68 CAD for the XLT, one gets an exchange rate of 1.28, not far off current numbers. It's even better at the top end where that rate computes to 1.215. Commercial - if 48 CAD - computes to 1.20.

The Canadian pricing is probably approximate given the spring 2022 on-sale date. Still, we're not being taken for a ride in the frunk.

I expect the heat pump will be standard in the XLT - the price diff between the base and XLT is a solid $8k - and it will likely just have a few options, like 20in / Sport package / Panoramic sunroof....Blue cruise will not be available in the XLT. I am likely to go with the XLT vs Lariat package this time to help control costs.

The sport appearance package appears to be standard on the Lightning. All the press photos have the monochromatic look, even for the high trims.

This Autoblog piece has some good details: https://www.autoblog.com/2021/05/19/2022-ford-f150-lightning-trim-level-breakdown/

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2021, 02:43:05 pm »
Range anxiety is obviously a huge issue for some consumers.  But once you push the range out to 500
m, that has just got to mitigate the concern for most people.
My pick up gets less than 600 km on a fill
So a 500/ 600 km range would be great

How quickly can this recharge ?
They said 10-19 hours

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2021, 02:48:44 pm »
Range anxiety is obviously a huge issue for some consumers.  But once you push the range out to 500
m, that has just got to mitigate the concern for most people.
My pick up gets less than 600 km on a fill
So a 500/ 600 km range would be great

How quickly can this recharge ?
They said 10-19 hours

On a level 2 charger.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2021, 02:52:20 pm »
Range anxiety is obviously a huge issue for some consumers.  But once you push the range out to 500
m, that has just got to mitigate the concern for most people.
My pick up gets less than 600 km on a fill
So a 500/ 600 km range would be great

How quickly can this recharge ?
They said 10-19 hours

On a level 2 charger.
Which is all that's widely available today...

The rest is more or less vaporware ATM

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2021, 02:53:13 pm »
I just noticed the thread title. What is special about the 2022 lighting? LED? ;)


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2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2021, 03:43:15 pm »
Range anxiety is obviously a huge issue for some consumers.  But once you push the range out to 500
m, that has just got to mitigate the concern for most people.
My pick up gets less than 600 km on a fill
So a 500/ 600 km range would be great

How quickly can this recharge ?
They said 10-19 hours

On a level 2 charger.
Which is all that's widely available today...

The rest is more or less vaporware ATM
Level 2 chargers are home chargers up to 10 kW or so. Plug it in when you get home and have a full charge the next day.

Level 3 chargers are anything above 10kW and I’m not sure if there’s a maximum. Petro Canada and Tesla Superchargers have 250-300 kW chargers so it’s not vapourware. Most are 25 kw ish though.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2021, 03:57:04 pm »
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444999/fords-f150-lightning-preorder-deposit-amount

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The trucks are available for reservation at this website. The standard range model starts at $39,974, and will get around 250 miles of range. An extended range version starts at $52,974 and can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge.

Not great really, but not really awful. $12 Grand more for extra 50 miles. I'm not sure how great that would be for most trades that need a pick up truck.

Umm, I wonder how much towing and heavy loads would affect the millage.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2021, 04:07:10 pm »
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444999/fords-f150-lightning-preorder-deposit-amount

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The trucks are available for reservation at this website. The standard range model starts at $39,974, and will get around 250 miles of range. An extended range version starts at $52,974 and can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge.

Not great really, but not really awful. $12 Grand more for extra 50 miles. I'm not sure how great that would be for most trades that need a pick up truck.

Umm, I wonder how much towing and heavy loads would affect the millage.

Those are two completely different trim levels too.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2021, 04:21:17 pm »
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444999/fords-f150-lightning-preorder-deposit-amount

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The trucks are available for reservation at this website. The standard range model starts at $39,974, and will get around 250 miles of range. An extended range version starts at $52,974 and can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge.

Not great really, but not really awful. $12 Grand more for extra 50 miles. I'm not sure how great that would be for most trades that need a pick up truck.

Umm, I wonder how much towing and heavy loads would affect the millage.

Those are two completely different trim levels too.

It's lot money admittedly, for the few upgrades, and a little bit more miles,  $14, 000 Cdn.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2021, 04:39:04 pm »
Petro Canada and Tesla Superchargers have 250-300 kW chargers so it’s not vapourware.

Oh yea?  How many in your province?

These are more or less vaporware.

Car and Driver has been using these Superchargers.  Due to the scarcity and demand...they've been paying the equivalent of $9 a gallon to use them. 

Yes...$9 a gallon.

So yea....vaporware.

Nearest one to me is 200kms away....
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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2021, 04:47:57 pm »
My father in law has a 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L in Newfoundland.  This wouldn't interest him in the least, not because it isn't fast enough, or can't tow or carry what he needs, but simply because he can't take a road trip from where they are to NB to see us or to ON to visit their grand kids. 

It's going to be equipped with a minimum 150 kW charger, we're obviously hoping for closer to 300 kW charger. With the 150 kW battery on a 1000 km trip starting from full, one is probably going to recharge twice for a total of 43 minutes. 43 minutes of rest time is not unreasonable for a 1000 km trip. If the charger is only 150 kW, it's going to be a tougher sell as the recharge time will be 86 minutes total.

My FIL is an ex trucker, he wants to be on the road, not sitting at a gas station waiting for his truck to recharge.  He'd be much better off getting a diesel but can't convince him to buy anything but a V8 because he's "old school".
He'd be better off with the F150 hybrid IMO....
I agree but he doesn’t trust new technology like hybrids and electric motors.  He gives us a hard time about our RAV4 Hybrid and says things like “we aren’t supporting the economy”.  He’s joking of course but not about his firm stance on pickup=V8 stance.

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2021, 04:48:48 pm »
^^I can't fault him.

I totally dig V8s!!

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Re: 2022 F-150 Lighting
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2021, 04:48:55 pm »
Yep, and lets not forget these things will have a 450km+ range, to start. That is plenty for I imagine 80%+ of the owners out there who are not towing every weekend uphill both ways into a headwind with a loaded bed for the 8 decks they are renovating  :rofl2:

You guys are kidding a little, but really you don't get it at all. 

Obviously the Lightning will be perfect for the daily driving stuff, which comprises 85-90% of what most of us do with our trucks.  But that 85-90% of use isn't why we buy our trucks.  We buy our trucks for the other 15% of the time, when we're pulling our 20' trailers for 300-500kms to a campsite for a week, with a bed loaded up full of bikes and coolers, and a canoe on a rack above the truck.  That's a task that no vehicle other than a truck (or at a stretch, a truck-based SUV) can do. 

Now OBVIOUSLY there is an entire segment of the truck-buying segment (people like AB) who buy trucks for work and the daily grind.  AB keeps all his tools in his truck and drives it to/from jobsites every single day.  The F150 Lightning would be PERFECT for him, and likely 90% of all other contractors out there.  I'm not disputing that at all. 

What I AM saying, is that for those of us who buy trucks for recreational purposes, even though we may only use our trucks recreationally 10-15% of the time, for that 10-15% of the time, an electric truck with limited range won't work for us.

Don't bother, apparently everyone in Ontario that buys a truck should have bought a Smart Car and a roof rack because they don't haul/tow anything that would ever involve the full capabilities of a 1/2 ton.....

Ya, just because you don't see half-tons towing ALL The time, doesn't mean they don't tow SOME of the time.

 :rofl: Right?!  If it's got a 100 mile/160 km range towing, it's useless.  That pic of it with the Airstream in the middle of nowhere (or maybe it's behind a WalMart somewhere) and powering "stuff" lmao - I guess they're going to live there now, or at least until someone with a gas truck comes to haul their a$s home.  Or I hope they don't plan on going more than 30-40 km from home.  If you're going to rough it like that I would imagine you'd need some juice left to get you home - you're dead in the water if you go past the halfway point.  :P  Oh right  :banghead:...there's a charge port at every pine tree up on the hill and many more all over the campground.  It's cute, but for towing, totally useless unless you stay within city limits.

It'd be great for AB but good luck convincing him he should get a Ford (plus he's old  :-X and about to retire - he doesn't need a new truck now  :P ::) :run:).  I wonder, if they had done this to the Excursion if that wouldn't have been a great choice too.  At least for someone like me, it would have the range to get us to the city and back and would have loads of room for the old Costco or greenhouse haul.  I'll still take my gas truck for trucky things.

(can someone tweet Mike Levine and tell that guy to put the big tank in the hybrid! FFS - best camping truck you can possibly get, enough to tow my camper anyway, and they put the stupid smallest tank in it...facking morons.  >:( If Oliver can get a manual on the Bronco, surely we can get a real gas tank on the hybrid  ;D)