Topic: 2025 Dodge Charger - EV & Gas

[warp]

New Dodge Charger in 2025, 2&4 doors to be called Chargers, EVs as well ICE with the straight 6 Hurricane in two power trims. Will continue to be built in Windsor.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60082380/2025-dodge-charger-sixpack-revealed/

https://driving.ca/reviews/preview/2025-dodge-charger

[revalations]

So after the EV versions sit collecting dust they値l bring the ICE that people will actually buy. Interesting.

While I知 happy that an ICE will be offered, I really can稚 get excited about the styling. Looks so bland and oversized to me. Still, I値l have to make final judgement after seeing them in person.

[Hannibalsmith]

So after the EV versions sit collecting dust they値l bring the ICE that people will actually buy. Interesting.

While I知 happy that an ICE will be offered, I really can稚 get excited about the styling. Looks so bland and oversized to me. Still, I値l have to make final judgement after seeing them in person.

Looks good in person, at least based on the prototype at the auto show. But it's massive!

[rrocket]

. Will continue to be built in Windsor.

It's never been built in Windsor. It was Brampton previously.

This is all new for Windsor.

[JohnnyMac]

If they offer the gas versions with a manual, if the weight isn't more than the previous AWD V6 Challenger/Charger, and the price isn't out to lunch, I could see this being a good seller for Dodge.  Otherwise, I'll check mark this as something that I have no interest in.

I already have zero interest in the EV version.

[rrocket]

If they offer the gas versions with a manual, if the weight isn't more than the previous AWD V6 Challenger/Charger, and the price isn't out to lunch, I could see this being a good seller for Dodge.  Otherwise, I'll check mark this as something that I have no interest in.

I already have zero interest in the EV version.

Sticks from most makes aren't "good sellers".

You haven't been paying attention.

[evil_twin]

If they offer the gas versions with a manual, if the weight isn't more than the previous AWD V6 Challenger/Charger, and the price isn't out to lunch, I could see this being a good seller for Dodge.  Otherwise, I'll check mark this as something that I have no interest in.

I already have zero interest in the EV version.

Sticks from most makes aren't "good sellers".

You haven't been paying attention.

   (sadly)

Offering sticks does not equate to volume sales.   Enthusiast sales and halo-car effect (if you subscribe to that theory...) but not volume...

I dig the styling!   It'll at least continue to look different than 99% of the stuff the road.   Especially as we get more and more EV blob things.
Pity about the V8's...but that was never gonna make this gen.

[Bubba]

I don't like the front end, but the rear three-quarter view is top notch.

[warp]

If they offer the gas versions with a manual, if the weight isn't more than the previous AWD V6 Challenger/Charger, and the price isn't out to lunch, I could see this being a good seller for Dodge.  Otherwise, I'll check mark this as something that I have no interest in.

I already have zero interest in the EV version.

The straight 6 engine weigh's more than the  Pentastar 3.6, V6 but with power outputs exceeding both V8s. From another publication:

Speaking of weight, how do the Hurricane and the existing engines compare? The dry weight of the SO is 430 lbs, and the HO weighs 441 lbs. The Pentastar V6 weighs 326 lbs, but we all know that's not the engine Dodge is aiming for. The Hurricane is meant to replace the 5.7-liter and 6.4-liter naturally aspirated Hemi V8 engines.

The 5.7 V8 is a massive lump of an engine weighing 560 lbs. The 6.4-liter is actually a bit lighter, with a 500 lbs dry weight. Basically, the ICE Charger will lose more than 100 lbs over the front axle compared to the 5.7-liter V8.

That's a huge amount to take out of the front end and will inevitably result in better turn-in if Dodge can figure out how to properly tune the suspension and steering. Luckily, it has many sister companies to ask for help, but more on that later.

But at 206 inches long, it will be 8 inches longer than the existing car and its going to be about 4-5 inches wider!! Will be a handful getting it into tighter urban parking spots.

[warp]

I quite like the looks:

[Seafoam]

 If the Hornet is stupidly priced and just sitting on dealer lots what are these going to go for ?  Looks good.

[rrocket]

LOL [emoji38]

https://jalopnik.com/dodge-appeals-to-republican-victim-complex-in-cringy-ch-1851309592

[revalations]

Yeah, I知 starting to warm up to it somewhat. Bubbas picture looks pretty decent.

Now, how about a Chrysler 300 cousin?

[warp]

According to Alex on Autos, the gas powered models will have a different hood and a slightly different air intake, the scoop/valley in the hood will be filled out and there will be an air vent on the hood as the gas engine has to fit under the hood. Also according to him there is a distinct possibility that the current Pentastar V6 will stay on as a RWD model in part to appeal to the law enforcement market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryIbkvE0uPo

[JohnnyMac]

If they offer the gas versions with a manual, if the weight isn't more than the previous AWD V6 Challenger/Charger, and the price isn't out to lunch, I could see this being a good seller for Dodge.  Otherwise, I'll check mark this as something that I have no interest in.

I already have zero interest in the EV version.

Sticks from most makes aren't "good sellers".

You haven't been paying attention.

Depends on the vehicle.  Sports cars and off road vehicles see a large amount of manual buyers.  It痴 just like minivans, they start becoming unpopular, more and more manufacturers leave that market, but the good ones that stick around do extremely well.

[warp]

One more interesting nugget, these are not coupes and sedans in the traditional sense. Instead of the trunk the current models have, both body styles are liftbacks like the Kia Stinger, VW Arteon etc, so it's a 3 door and a 5 door. The upside is that there will be more luggage space.

[rrocket]

.  Sports cars and off road vehicles see a large amount of manual buyers. 

Very infrequent and the numbers aren't "large".

Unless your definition of "large amount" differs from mine. One of the most numerous manuals sold (Honda Civic) is only 5-7 percent take rate.

And this ain't no sports car.

[rrocket]

. Also according to him there is a distinct possibility that the current Pentastar V6 will stay on as a RWD model in part to appeal to the law enforcement market.

I think he's wrong.

But YMMV.

There's a different product going to Brampton, where the Charger used to be built.

And the gas powered I-6 Chargers won't be built until later in Windsor.

So no idea where the V6 interceptor Chargers would be built.

[warp]

. Also according to him there is a distinct possibility that the current Pentastar V6 will stay on as a RWD model in part to appeal to the law enforcement market.

I think he's wrong.

But YMMV.

There's a different product going to Brampton, where the Charger used to be built.

And the gas powered I-6 Chargers won't be built until later in Windsor.

So no idea where the V6 interceptor Chargers would be built.

I don't know if the new Charger will get the Pentastar, that's AoA's speculation/surmise. But there is no reason as to why it should not be possible. Brampton was vehicle assembly, the V6 Pentastar was/is produced at two factories in Michigan and one in Mexico. So Brampton would have been supplied complete Pentastar engines from one of those three engine plants. The 3.0 liter straight 6 Hurricane is produced at the Mexican plant and is sent to where ever the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are assembled and in the future will be sent to Windsor for Charger assembly and also to wherever the Ram 1500 is assembled. I think by now at least one of two Michigan Pentarstar assembly units has been closed, if not both. 

[rrocket]

. But there is no reason as to why it should not be possible. .

You mean apart from no place to build it?

Brampton isn't doing Chargers any more. An EV product is going there (think EV Compass or similar).

To do the Chargers in Windsor for police duty would require it to be re-tooled for that specific engine in addition to the new I-6.

And the tooling isn't even there for ANY gas version (yet) according to my friends on the inside.

Is it possible? Sure. But it sounds like Windsor will be at capacity for their future plans as is