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2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« on: May 08, 2024, 08:26:50 am »
I'm giving the Used Cars section a little action. It's been a while.

I  have found myself in an interesting situation.  My In-laws are looking to get into a new X3 and wish to pass it down their current one to us.  It's a U.S. car with 80,000 miles (128k km) that has been well (though not lovingly) maintained, has the 2.0T.  I think some recent work has been done, and I'm pretty sure it has new summer and winter tires, but only one set of rims.  My F-I-L is well off, rather frugal, so everything required was done, but not a lot extra.

If we take the BMW, I'll sell the Highlander.  It's an 07, in good shape with almost 230,000 km.

At first glance it seemed obvious that we should just sell the Highlander.  But it's not so cut and dry.

I really like the Highlander.  It's so simple to get in and go. And feels like it will last forever. By contrast I find the X3 to be a pain, from the stupid shifter to iDrive, to all the safety systems, it's finicky to live with day to day. I'm sure I'd eventually get used to everything but I guess I just prefer simpler interiors.  OF course having heated seats and steering wheel will be nice.

There's no doubt the X3 is better to drive.  It's not even in the same league.  But, I've never loved the suspension tuning on that generation of X3, I find it's a little stiff and it feels like it has a high roll center, so your head is bobbing around on rough roads.  Not a deal killer by any means, but IMO the previous gen had a better handling/ride balance.

And the real wild card is the upkeep.  I have no doubt the Highlander will keep needing some attention, but a lot of the big things have been done.  Lower control arms, ball joints, struts, & power steering hoses have all been done within the last year and a bit.  So, it should just be little things.  Rust is slowly creeping in but I've been rust-proofing it every year and so far it's mostly in check.   The X3 is an unknown to me in this regard.  I get that  regular maintenance will be more expensive, and any unplanned repairs can get pretty high, but I just don't have a sense if they will nickel and dime us to death, $1000 at a time.

Another negative for the X3 is that it is a fair bit smaller than the Highlander.  The highlander has more room for people and gear behind the 2nd row.  We can always throw our roof box on if we need more room, so it's a wash.

I know my wife will want to say yes, so I probably typed this out for nothing, but what does the peanut gallery say about this generation of X3?  Will a 7 year newer, with 100,000 less km, BMW be more reliable than the Highlander?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2024, 08:34:58 am by tortoise »
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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2024, 08:37:16 am »
Trade both in for the nicest Lexus SUV you can find.   :rofl2:

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2024, 09:04:09 am »
Hahahaha

Yeah, that is the most sensible play.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2024, 09:06:29 am »
Those early BMW 2.0Ts have some issues, don't they? I'm not sure if there is preventative maintenance that can be done to avoid problems but that's something worth considering as well.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2024, 09:14:41 am »
It seems a nylon timing chain guide can fail on the early 2.0T's.  2012-2014 were the problem years.

And for what it's worth, I'm not 100% sure it's a 2014, I'm just going by memory.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2024, 10:11:25 am »
Watched too many Car Wizard videos to have much sympathy for older BMW's, seems the plastics and seals/gaskets they build the drivetrain with biodegrade after certain point

Whereas that Highlander is pretty much peak Toyota from that time period. Doesn't it have full time AWD and the V6? And 230,000 is nothing

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2024, 10:13:52 am »
Yup, the venerable 3.3L V6 and full time AWD via the center diff.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2024, 10:22:44 am »
Keep the Highlander & get rid of the TDI Golf wagon? :think: :run:

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2024, 10:31:13 am »
That was suggested by my oldest.

Not a bad plan, but I'll miss the highway economy and driving dynamics of the Golf. And it's got a few more years of warranty left. 

That said, it does have 140k km on it now and ditching it before it starts to VW us might be a good plan.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2024, 10:45:12 am »
Yup, the venerable 3.3L V6 and full time AWD via the center diff.
It's just such a great vehicle that I really respect it. It has become one of those Toyota's that you could legitimately keep on the road "forever" without bankrupting yourself.

You get attached to the simplicity, reliability, frugality. Piece of mind that it's quite unlikely to leave you or your family stranded. These are important things to have in a DD. Oh yea..and if you want to tow your boat or trailer, no problemo!

I'd have a REALLY hard time parting with such a car.

In the really important areas, I don't think the BMW is necessarily a step up...

I vote keep Highlander!

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2024, 10:55:26 am »
The X3 has a hitch, so towing the boat or trailer won't be an issue.

The other factor is the HL has spent 7 additional years with winter salt.  That adds up.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2024, 10:57:34 am »
The X3 has a hitch, so towing the boat or trailer won't be an issue.

The other factor is the HL has spent 7 additional years with winter salt.  That adds up.
Oh it's definitely newer.

But you just know at some point you're going to get that big German service bill for something. Not if. But when.

You good with that?

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2024, 11:01:17 am »
The other factor is the HL has spent 7 additional years with winter salt.  That adds up.

True, might be worth an inspection on a lift to see if there are any big problems coming up

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2024, 11:02:44 am »
How rusty are the underneath bits of the HL?



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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2024, 11:03:58 am »
Yup, the venerable 3.3L V6 and full time AWD via the center diff.
It's just such a great vehicle that I really respect it. It has become one of those Toyota's that you could legitimately keep on the road "forever" without bankrupting yourself.

You get attached to the simplicity, reliability, frugality. Piece of mind that it's quite unlikely to leave you or your family stranded. These are important things to have in a DD. Oh yea..and if you want to tow your boat or trailer, no problemo!

I'd have a REALLY hard time parting with such a car.

In the really important areas, I don't think the BMW is necessarily a step up...

I vote keep Highlander!

My 2004 Sienna AWD had the similar powertrain,  rear LSD and it was a tank in the snow, very good AWD system.   Worst than my current truck for MPG though.  A 2014 Beamer seams like a headache.

I would also vote to keep the highlander  or like someone said trade both for a newer Highlander or something.


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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2024, 11:16:51 am »
But you just know at some point you're going to get that big German service bill for something. Not if. But when.

You good with that?

That's the rub, isn't it?  Can't say I'd be pleased, and not convinced the BMW juice is worth the squeeze.

There's definitely some surface rust on underside of the HL, the doors and wheel wells have rust as well. The previous owner didn't rust-proof it, but did wash it regularly.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2024, 11:37:49 am »
But you just know at some point you're going to get that big German service bill for something. Not if. But when.

You good with that?

That's the rub, isn't it?  Can't say I'd be pleased, and not convinced the BMW juice is worth the squeeze.

There's definitely some surface rust on underside of the HL, the doors and wheel wells have rust as well. The previous owner didn't rust-proof it, but did wash it regularly.

How much would you want for the Highlander?
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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2024, 11:42:58 am »
Seems like ~$6k is in line with FB Marketplace.  Might be a shade low, but an equally good chance the others are too high.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2024, 11:47:58 am »
The only thing I don't like about the 3.3 is the timing belt, with VVT-i, that's a necessary $1500 spend every 145,000 km to keep the internals from kissing each other in catastrophic ways. If you're still 60,000 km away, it's far away enough that someone won't ask to take $1500 for the eventual timing belt job. Either way, you're coming into the mileage where the steering/suspension/bearing bits need to be replaced. A 2014 BMW can't be much worse can it?

Or trade both in for something with Toyota's virtually maintenance-free 3.5L with a timing chain done right.

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Re: 2014 X3 vs 2007 Highlander - What's Cheaper to Run?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2024, 11:51:05 am »
Seems like ~$6k is in line with FB Marketplace.  Might be a shade low, but an equally good chance the others are too high.

I managed to get $6k for this, in this condition, also with 225k, privately.