Topic: I might get a GTI....

[dougjp]

This is cabin fever. I'm well familiar with the symptoms, and am suffering with it yet again.  GTi, R, used S4/5, Q50, ..and APR etc. List Pros and Cons on a sheet of paper. Sound familiar.... On such a list, I've found one abstract thing which is "sobering" for the Pro side of keeping an existing car - " it keeps your short term future options open"   

I also think a GTi is a great choice and I'm still considering it myself, although I would miss some things and we already have a hatchback for carrying stuff. Can't go too far wrong with any version. One thing is, will VW service be overloaded in future.

[mlin32]

Both are great cars, but I wonder what prompts you to trade the 3er if driving fun is the priority. The costs of trading and getting a new car are higher than maintaining the 3er.

Then again, I haven’t driven an xDrive BMW sedan so perhaps it is different from the normal rear drive versions.

[EV-Light]

Both are great cars, but I wonder what prompts you to trade the 3er if driving fun is the priority. The costs of trading and getting a new car are higher than maintaining the 3er.

Then again, I haven’t driven an xDrive BMW sedan so perhaps it is different from the normal rear drive versions.

Go find his FGC thread and you will understand why.

I'd get a Mustang Ecoboost.


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[OliverD]

If you tick remarkably few boxes on a GTI build sheet, you will end up quite close to the price of a base Golf R.  If you find yourself doing that, get the base R.

To me, best GTI has the tartan cloth seats and a stick.  But I won't judge anybody who gets the DSG.

This. Base GTI or R.. Loaded GTI makes little sense to me, because the price difference is small and it lacks AWD, driftability and power.

The price difference between a GTI Autobahn and a base R is still $6k, and the only major equipment differences (aside from the obvious mechanical ones) are that the R has standard leather and no sunroof while the GTI has standard cloth and a sunroof. Add leather to the GTI and the difference is still almost $5k. That's not insignificant.

The prices really only get close if you want a GTI Performance which has the standard tech package.

[Hammy]

How much money will you lose trading in the BMW?

I would be astonished if it's more than the BMW costs over the next 4 years.

The GTI is awesome but the BMW is more fun and maybe cheaper in the long run.

I am gong to be out a significant amount on trading the bmw, it's really the only thing holding me back.  I could easily be part of the upside down thread! Once I get back to spring I should be good until next winter again if I can hold out.

[ElectricMayhem]

The price difference between a GTI Autobahn and a base R is still $6k

A GTI Autobahn in manual with only the Tech box checked is MSRP $37495.
A base R is MSRP $41700.

The difference is $4205, and the outstanding residual on the R will practically erase that difference after 3 years.

You will not recover any value from the options on the world's most expensive GTI, after surprisingly few years of ownership.  They will be worth pennies on the dollar.  All they will do is help you get a faster sale.

[OliverD]

The price difference between a GTI Autobahn and a base R is still $6k

A GTI Autobahn in manual with only the Tech box checked is MSRP $37495.
A base R is MSRP $41700.

The difference is $4205, and the outstanding residual on the R will practically erase that difference after 3 years.

You will not recover any value from the options on the world's most expensive GTI, after surprisingly few years of ownership.  They will be worth pennies on the dollar.  All they will do is help you get a faster sale.

Why are you comparing a GTI with tech and an R without tech?

[ElectricMayhem]

Why are you comparing a GTI with tech and an R without tech?

The comparison is between a lightly optioned GTI (I only checked one box!) and a base R.

I stand by my recommendation that you go 1) base GTI or 2) base R, and stay away from optioned GTIs, especially heavily optioned GTIs.

[ArticSteve]

The comparison is between a lightly optioned GTI (I only checked one box!) and a base R.

I stand by my recommendation that you go 1) base GTI or 2) base R, and stay away from optioned GTIs, especially heavily optioned GTIs.


 

[ArticSteve]

I am gong to be out a significant amount on trading the bmw, it's really the only thing holding me back.  I could easily be part of the upside down thread! Once I get back to spring I should be good until next winter again if I can hold out.

That Bimmer of yours will continue to depreciate rapidly within the next 2 years and one significant problem and it will take you out $$$$.

Might as well harvest the sales tax credit while the car has some value.  Plus we need to read about another new purchase.

[OliverD]

Why are you comparing a GTI with tech and an R without tech?

The comparison is between a lightly optioned GTI (I only checked one box!) and a base R.

I stand by my recommendation that you go 1) base GTI or 2) base R, and stay away from optioned GTIs, especially heavily optioned GTIs.

When I compare cars I tend to try to equate the equipment. If you're checking one box it would make sense to choose the leather package, considering that's what the R has standard. If someone is interested in a GTI with the tech package then chances are they'd want that option on the R as well.

If you're leasing the excellent residual of the R is negated by the high interest rates: 6% vs 1% on the GTI. So on a three year lease an R is ~$150 more a month than a GTI with leather.

I think VW's biggest misstep in pricing the GTI is forcing the tech package if you want the performance package. That's what puts the price very close to the R. Meanwhile, in the U.S., they offer the GTI in three trim levels and the performance pack is a standalone option on all three.

I don't think the choice between the GTI and the R is that clear-cut regardless of how they're equipped. It's all in what you prioritize and whether you're buying or leasing. For me, the R is currently a non-starter simply because it doesn't have a sunroof.

[HeliDriver]

I'd love a 5-door GTI, cloth, manual, no options except the Performance Pack. That would be my ideal Golf, and shouldn't cost more than $33k or so.

But to get the PP in Canada, I'm stuck with a bunch of other stuff I don't want (especially that stupid sunroof!   ) so price is $38k. For that money, I think I'd spend the extra $2k and get a base R instead.

[Hammy]

I've never actually seen a golf r here in Newfoundland.  I am only able to roll 15% of the msrp of the gti Into the purchase so that leaves me a little short to pay off the bmw.  With respect to optioning the gti, again we are extremely limited here, there are three available, all five doors wth autobahn packages.  The midnight blue has leather and there is a red with tech package as well.  It would be great if we had some options here but unfortunately we are literally at the end of the line for car delivery. 

I am being offered 19,000 trade which really seems low but that's two dealerships with the exact same offer, might try one more but I have a feeling with our limited market that's it.  There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years and all in it is $1000 less than the gti autobahn with leather.  For the same price as the gti it seems like a decent buy.

I can't believe this is post # 1000!

[HeliDriver]

I've never actually seen a golf r here in Newfoundland.  I am only able to roll 15% of the msrp of the gti Into the purchase so that leaves me a little short to pay off the bmw.  With respect to optioning the gti, again we are extremely limited here, there are three available, all five doors wth autobahn packages.  The midnight blue has leather and there is a red with tech package as well.  It would be great if we had some options here but unfortunately we are literally at the end of the line for car delivery.

I am being offered 19,000 trade which really seems low but that's two dealerships with the exact same offer, might try one more but I have a feeling with our limited market that's it.  There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years and all in it is $1000 less than the gti autobahn with leather.  For the same price as the gti it seems like a decent buy.

I can't believe this is post # 1000!

LOL. I chose exactly how I wanted my GTI, placed a factory order, and waited four months for them to build it and put it on a boat. You do have options.

(And congrats on the 1,000! )

[ArticSteve]

There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years

That would be a real error unless you're looking for a Mustang that has zero exhaust tone, uses 91 octane and is slower than the V6.  How many test kms on it?  3:55 LSD option?   FYI, 2015 had serious rear window alignment issues.  Take a look.  Visit Mustang6g.com for further info.

[EV-Light]

There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years

That would be a real error unless you're looking for a Mustang that has zero exhaust tone, uses 91 octane and is slower than the V6.  How many test kms on it?  3:55 LSD option?   FYI, 2015 had serious rear window alignment issues.  Take a look.  Visit Mustang6g.com for further info.

V6
C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 5.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.4 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 20.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 102 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 124 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

Ecoboost
C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 31.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 149 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 150 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g

[ArticSteve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5X9sUIbwoQ


2nd race approx. 2 min mark for v6 v eco.

[ElectricMayhem]

A GTI Autobahn in manual with only the Tech box checked is MSRP $37495.
A base R is MSRP $41700.

Actually, the base R is $39,995 with the manual.  I suspect not for long.  I would think the 2017's will jump in price.

I think you'll find that my figures are correct after you add freight and federal A/C tax.

[Julie]

I've never actually seen a golf r here in Newfoundland.  I am only able to roll 15% of the msrp of the gti Into the purchase so that leaves me a little short to pay off the bmw.  With respect to optioning the gti, again we are extremely limited here, there are three available, all five doors wth autobahn packages.  The midnight blue has leather and there is a red with tech package as well.  It would be great if we had some options here but unfortunately we are literally at the end of the line for car delivery.

I am being offered 19,000 trade which really seems low but that's two dealerships with the exact same offer, might try one more but I have a feeling with our limited market that's it.  There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years and all in it is $1000 less than the gti autobahn with leather.  For the same price as the gti it seems like a decent buy.

I can't believe this is post # 1000!

LOL. I chose exactly how I wanted my GTI, placed a factory order, and waited four months for them to build it and put it on a boat. You do have options.

(And congrats on the 1,000! )

I agree with Heli, never let that limit you.

You'll paying a lot of money, get exactly what you want.

[2JDM]

I've never actually seen a golf r here in Newfoundland.  I am only able to roll 15% of the msrp of the gti Into the purchase so that leaves me a little short to pay off the bmw.  With respect to optioning the gti, again we are extremely limited here, there are three available, all five doors wth autobahn packages.  The midnight blue has leather and there is a red with tech package as well.  It would be great if we had some options here but unfortunately we are literally at the end of the line for car delivery.

I am being offered 19,000 trade which really seems low but that's two dealerships with the exact same offer, might try one more but I have a feeling with our limited market that's it.  There is a nice 2015 ecoboost premium mustang that's been sitting around waiting for a new owner.  It's 0% for 6 years and all in it is $1000 less than the gti autobahn with leather.  For the same price as the gti it seems like a decent buy.

I can't believe this is post # 1000!

LOL. I chose exactly how I wanted my GTI, placed a factory order, and waited four months for them to build it and put it on a boat. You do have options.

(And congrats on the 1,000! )

I agree with Heli, never let that limit you.

You'll paying a lot of money, get exactly what you want.

Agreed. Your 335i should last a few more months without major repairs...