Topic: Am I being a jerk?

[Firm]

FWIW, I the only jerk I see in this tale is the young man who bought the car.

And the gov-t who collected full tax on the new Porsche and will add tax on the same car as many times as it is sold. You'd expect the cost of emission/safety inspection to be thrown in, but I guess it's just wishful thinking.

Amen.

[Gurgie]

FWIW, I the only jerk I see in this tale is the young man who bought the car.

And the gov-t who collected full tax on the new Porsche and will add tax on the same car as many times as it is sold. You'd expect the cost of emission/safety inspection to be thrown in, but I guess it's just wishful thinking.

Amen.

 

[redman]

 

[tooscoops]

as much as it pains me to say... you aren't being a jerk... now, we don't actually see the whole transaction, so you still could have been a jerk throughout, but on this one point?.... heck no.

the kid is being an idiot. i did that on one older car a friend bought... but it was a salvage stratus... so saying it was worth 1000 rather than the 2800 he bought it for was an easy one. saved us a keg's worth!

[johngenx]

I'm not opposed to sales taxes, but I find this tax ridiculous.  Private transactions shouldn't be subject to sales taxes.

[johngenx]

I'm not opposed to sales taxes, but I find this tax ridiculous.  Private transactions shouldn't be subject to sales taxes.

Why not?

I have no sound economic theory behind it - I just don't want to be a sales tax collector.

[rrocket]

as much as it pains me to say...

 


Did that hurt to type?   

[EV Dan]

I'm not opposed to sales taxes, but I find this tax ridiculous.  Private transactions shouldn't be subject to sales taxes.

Why not?

If I may, because selling a car privately once every few years is not a commercial enterprise. The seller doesn't make a living by doing so. He just gets a $$ equivalent of what the car is worth. Nor IMO should the buyer pay any tax on a private car purchase, unless the vehicle will be registered or used for business purposes. Now a dealership is a different story altogether. Just my 2 cents.

[johngenx]

Dealers here cried foul when it was announced that GST would be charged on used cars on dealers lots but not on private sales.  They said they'd all be out of business in a year.  Whoops, wrong.

[Ex-airbalancer]

I'm not opposed to sales taxes, but I find this tax ridiculous.  Private transactions shouldn't be subject to sales taxes.

Why not?

I have no sound economic theory behind it - I just don't want to be a sales tax collector.

In a private sale the seller does not collect tax, the buy pays it to the government

[johngenx]

A private individual collected it.

[rrocket]

But how many times does one have to pay sales tax on a car?

[Cord]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

[rrocket]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

Yea, I don't understand what he's talking about either.

[johngenx]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

In a private transaction, one of the parties had to determine the tax and then pay it.  I think if you sell your stuff on kijiji or whatever and it's not a business, then the government should stay out of it.

[Cord]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

In a private transaction, one of the parties had to determine the tax and then pay it.  I think if you sell your stuff on kijiji or whatever and it's not a business, then the government should stay out of it.

No, the buyer would typically pay the tax when they went to register it. No private individuals deal with collecting tax.

[rrocket]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

In a private transaction, one of the parties had to determine the tax and then pay it.  I think if you sell your stuff on kijiji or whatever and it's not a business, then the government should stay out of it.

No.  The gov't determines the tax (usually) here on autos.  You pay tax when you register it.

But I agree with your sentiment.  If I'm selling a car private and it's not a business....then they government shouldn't be able to collect tax on that vehicle (again and again and again).

[johngenx]

No, the buyer would typically pay the tax when they went to register it. No private individuals deal with collecting tax.

No business is involved.  Sales taxes to me are something collected on business activity.

[tpl]

I'm not opposed to sales taxes, but I find this tax ridiculous.  Private transactions shouldn't be subject to sales taxes.

Why not?

IF the HST were a true Value Added Tax then John is correct.  But it isn't. It is a hybrid probably that way at the insistence of the provinces

[tpl]

A private individual collected it.

Que??

In a private transaction, one of the parties had to determine the tax and then pay it.  I think if you sell your stuff on kijiji or whatever and it's not a business, then the government should stay out of it.

No.  The gov't determines the tax (usually) here on autos.  You pay tax when you register it.

But I agree with your sentiment.  If I'm selling a car private and it's not a business....then they government shouldn't be able to collect tax on that vehicle (again and again and again).

The Ontario Government has decided that all of the 13%  tax collected on private used car sales is NOT a Value Added Tax as the GST is ( I do mean GST not HST) but is a pure provincial retail sales tax....which they can charge on anything they like...as long as it is charged at the retail level.


With a true Value Added Tax private individuals do not collect taxes on a private sale. On the other hand the business of subtracting the price of your trade-in from the retail price of the new car would not happen either.

This may seem like a very theoretical argument and I suppose it is as the GST is, I believe, the only Value Added Tax charged in North America.   In a sensible world, when the Feds introduced the GST they should have forced all the provinces to integrate their various sales taxes into a single true VAT and done it properly...but constitutionally impossible and so it didn't happen.