Topic: Comparison Test: Luxury Hot Hatches

[lebowski]

Cadillac was top tier from their inception up until the 1960s. A 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham ($13K at the time, $108k in today's money) had a higher MSRP than the Rolls Silver Cloud, and much better performance. Both were limited editions and both were handmade with top quality materials.

By the end of the 1960s, they had dwindled to being slightly better versions of other division's models. By the end of the 1970s they were hopelessly out of date.

Personally, I think their most epic cars were from the 1930s, like this 1932 V16 Coupe:

Very interesting. I knew Cadillacs were once considered the "Standard Of The World", but I had no idea they were even more expensive than the contemporary RR Silver Cloud I always assumed Rolls and Bentley were significantly more expensive.

[Northernridge]

sooooooo, where's the luxury hot hatches??  i don't see any.

The GLA AMG is very definitely a luxury hot hatch... the other two, I exaggerated a bit... wagons, crossovers and small hatches all have a hatch opening, so I went with that...

the thinking was something along the lines of: "I've outgrown my STI hatch.can't get one anymore, but can afford to spend a little more this time around, so what thing has that kind of power, handling and practicality..." and on the flip side, "what would it take to match a base Macan in performance". say what you will about diluting the brand, it is very hard to match its performance in that size and class.

I'm still not in love with that title, though, so if you had any better suggestions I would actually consifder replacing this one (it's just kinda boring for a comparison that is more about fun)". the workin title was "hot winter wagons", but they're even less wagons than hatches.

High test hatches and blurred lines

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

[aquadorhj]

sooooooo, where's the luxury hot hatches??  i don't see any.

The GLA AMG is very definitely a luxury hot hatch... the other two, I exaggerated a bit... wagons, crossovers and small hatches all have a hatch opening, so I went with that...

the thinking was something along the lines of: "I've outgrown my STI hatch.can't get one anymore, but can afford to spend a little more this time around, so what thing has that kind of power, handling and practicality..." and on the flip side, "what would it take to match a base Macan in performance". say what you will about diluting the brand, it is very hard to match its performance in that size and class.

I'm still not in love with that title, though, so if you had any better suggestions I would actually consifder replacing this one (it's just kinda boring for a comparison that is more about fun)". the workin title was "hot winter wagons", but they're even less wagons than hatches.

High test hatches and blurred lines

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

are you charging consultation fees for this? 

[initial_D]

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

I like ^^this title.

[Snowman]

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

I like ^^this title.

Agreed.

[jyarkony]

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

I like ^^this title.

Agreed.

ummm, but each of these three are kind of different, so all of these things are not like the other

I like "A Wagon, a Crossover and a Hot Hatch enter a snowy parking lot..." but we gotta acknowledge that these are all luxury, and now the title is getting too long...

maybe I'll just put in the make/model names...

[tazcubed]

Of the 3, I'd go with the Volvo out of personal preference (in black since they're bringing back this year again). The issue is the back seat with 2 growing kids. Someone mentioned the Golf R (sport wagon, I assume), which hasn't reached production let alone even considered for North America. That said, if Subaru brought the Levorg (and renamed it) along with the Golf R wagon, buyers then have choice galore. Now, if only BMW and Audi brought back over their wagons with their more powerful engines...dreaming I guess.

[dirtyjeffer]

The new Cadillac ATS-V will have 450 hp of twin turbo V6 power.

yup, the new ATS-V gets the engine used in the previous CTS-V and the new CTS-V gets the Z06 engine (something like 650HP/630TQ). 

Correction: The ATS-V gets the same engine as the current CTS V-sport (twin turbo 3.6 V6).

you may have misunderstood me...what i referenced was the new 2016 models...the 2016 ATS-V gets the engine from the 2015 CTS-V, and the 2016 CTS-V gets the engine from the Z06.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-atsv/feature#
http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-ctsv/feature

[Triple Bob]

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

I like ^^this title.

Agreed.

ummm, but each of these three are kind of different, so all of these things are not like the other

I like "A Wagon, a Crossover and a Hot Hatch enter a snowy parking lot..." but we gotta acknowledge that these are all luxury, and now the title is getting too long...

maybe I'll just put in the make/model names...

Here we go, it's mumsnet again!

 

[OliverD]

The new Cadillac ATS-V will have 450 hp of twin turbo V6 power.

yup, the new ATS-V gets the engine used in the previous CTS-V and the new CTS-V gets the Z06 engine (something like 650HP/630TQ). 

Correction: The ATS-V gets the same engine as the current CTS V-sport (twin turbo 3.6 V6).

you may have misunderstood me...what i referenced was the new 2016 models...the 2016 ATS-V gets the engine from the 2015 CTS-V, and the 2016 CTS-V gets the engine from the Z06.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-atsv/feature#
http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-ctsv/feature

You're still wrong. The CTS-V has always had a V8. The ATS-V has a V6.

[Snowman]

5 doors and a badge – who's the new sheriff?

A wagon, a CUV and a hot hatch enter a race...

Triple threat – fast 5-door throw down

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

Hot hatch show down – 2 of these things is not like the other

I like ^^this title.

Agreed.

ummm, but each of these three are kind of different, so all of these things are not like the other

I like "A Wagon, a Crossover and a Hot Hatch enter a snowy parking lot..." but we gotta acknowledge that these are all luxury, and now the title is getting too long...

maybe I'll just put in the make/model names...

Agreed, they are all different  A wagon, a CUV, and Bruce Jenner 

[Northernridge]

Comparison Test: 3 random cars


 

[wing]

With lots of power?

[Railton]

Too funny.
Railton

[dirtyjeffer]

The new Cadillac ATS-V will have 450 hp of twin turbo V6 power.

yup, the new ATS-V gets the engine used in the previous CTS-V and the new CTS-V gets the Z06 engine (something like 650HP/630TQ). 

Correction: The ATS-V gets the same engine as the current CTS V-sport (twin turbo 3.6 V6).

you may have misunderstood me...what i referenced was the new 2016 models...the 2016 ATS-V gets the engine from the 2015 CTS-V, and the 2016 CTS-V gets the engine from the Z06.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-atsv/feature#
http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/2016-ctsv/feature

You're still wrong. The CTS-V has always had a V8. The ATS-V has a V6.

i see...you are arguing semantics...the CTS Vsport is essentially what the current CTS-V is...the previous "CTS-V" doesn't exist, until the 2016 model comes back, which has the Z06 engine in it...for all intents purposes, the Vsport is the current CTS-V...the current Vsport replaced the previous CTS-V...the next gen CTS V (2016 model) brings that label back (CTS-V).

[dirtyjeffer]

The CTS V-sport does not replace any of the V-Cars it's meant to straddle the regular line and the v-line.

It goes up against the GS 350 Fsport, the Msport cars, etc.

whatever...currently, there isn't a "V" car...there is a Vsport...that's all i meant.

go here:  http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/cts-sedan/overview

click on the VSPORT tag on the line of selectable links below the first batch of images...they show the rear end of the CTS VSPORT...there is a V crest on it...sure, it doesn't say CTS-V, but it doesn't say VSport either, hence the reason why i lumped it in with the V line...if there was currently a CTS-V, i wouldn't have worded it that way previously and while the VSPORT isn't a CTS-V technically, it's as close to one that GM currently offers...the V6 VSPORT has more power/torque than the V8 CTS-V it replaced...which is why i mistakenly called it a CTS-V.

[OliverD]

The CTS V-sport does not replace any of the V-Cars it's meant to straddle the regular line and the v-line.

It goes up against the GS 350 Fsport, the Msport cars, etc.

whatever...currently, there isn't a "V" car...there is a Vsport...that's all i meant.

go here:  http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/cadillac/cts-sedan/overview

click on the VSPORT tag on the line of selectable links below the first batch of images...they show the rear end of the CTS VSPORT...there is a V crest on it...sure, it doesn't say CTS-V, but it doesn't say VSport either, hence the reason why i lumped it in with the V line...if there was currently a CTS-V, i wouldn't have worded it that way previously and while the VSPORT isn't a CTS-V technically, it's as close to one that GM currently offers...the V6 VSPORT has more power/torque than the V8 CTS-V it replaced...which is why i mistakenly called it a CTS-V.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/500-swan-songs-2015-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-special-edition-announced/

Just sayin'.

[The3Rs]

Each of these have merit, I suppose but gotta go with the Volvo. Ahem, I may, just may, be a wee biased however. Where are the manual options? I'll never be as quick as any auto, even a slushbox, and my heel-and-toeing  is more like heel-and-damn-not-again, but I sure do like it and am fortunate to live where there are open roads.
About touch screens; they don't belong in cars as they take your eyes off the road too much. If something important is buried in a sub-menu, either the system was not designed properly or maybe it's something you just don't need in the first place. Muscle memory and tactile feedback from a button or knob is superior, they never wash out in bright sun and they don't affect your vision at night.

[dirtyjeffer]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/500-swan-songs-2015-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-special-edition-announced/

Just sayin'.

unicorns don't count.

[Triple Bob]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/500-swan-songs-2015-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-special-edition-announced/

Just sayin'.

unicorns don't count.

Don't tell Scotland.