Author Topic: FJC...? (Read 39516 times)

Cord · « **Reply #60 on:** August 14, 2015, 11:05:07 am »

I can't quite believe what I'm reading.

Not only is a Corolla having a service issue (gasp!). But an extended warranty is actually believed to have been a good purchase (double gasp!).

It's like the poles of the autos.ca world have switched position!

Great_Big_Abyss · « **Reply #61 on:** August 14, 2015, 11:34:59 am »

Quote from: Cord on August 14, 2015, 11:05:07 am

I can't quite believe what I'm reading.

Not only is a Corolla having a service issue (gasp!). But an extended warranty is actually believed to have been a good purchase (double gasp!).

It's like the poles of the autos.ca world have switched position!

All the more reason for you to start (or continue) pushing those extended warranties. Oh Wait, that's the finance guy who does that, isn't it?

Noto · « **Reply #62 on:** August 14, 2015, 02:20:41 pm »

Quote from: Cord on August 14, 2015, 11:05:07 am

I can't quite believe what I'm reading.

Not only is a Corolla having a service issue (gasp!). But an extended warranty is actually believed to have been a good purchase (double gasp!).

It's like the poles of the autos.ca world have switched position!

Update:
They think that it's the Vacuum Switching Valve.

Cheap:
http://www.amazon.ca/Dorman-911-601-Toyota-Vacuum-Switching/dp/B0042OX8VS

...still free to me

Problem is, they don't have the part in stock (and since it's under the ECP, they're probably ordering the part of Amazon to save $

). It should arrive on the 7am delivery tomorrow morning...allegedly.

I'm heading to buddy's cottage in the Kawarthas, so we'll take the Fozzie XT (gonna be triple the cost of gas

) and I'll pick the 'Rolla up Monday morning en route to work. We'll see if the problem is fixed by then

By the way, the dealership service department is being very nice about everything - but they simply don't return my calls. At all. "I have to check on something, Noto, I'll give you a call back in 15 mins."

3 hours later...

nothing.

rrocket · « **Reply #63 on:** August 14, 2015, 07:07:33 pm »

^^^^^^^^^^ Don't you hate it when someone isn't reliable and makes you wait on them?

mixmanmash · « **Reply #64 on:** August 16, 2015, 10:29:45 am »

P0171 can even be the air intake hose from the MAF to the throttle body is ripped or has a hole in it, allowing unmetered air in to the engine.

Noto · « **Reply #65 on:** August 17, 2015, 01:58:37 pm »

Quote from: mixmanmash on August 16, 2015, 10:29:45 am

P0171 can even be the air intake hose from the MAF to the throttle body is ripped or has a hole in it, allowing unmetered air in to the engine.

I'll let you know when I get the car back.

...so far, still in the shop

Quote from: rrocket on August 14, 2015, 07:07:33 pm

^^^^^^^^^^ Don't you hate it when someone isn't reliable and makes you wait on them?

I apologized and bought you and IQ lunch! What more can I do

rrocket · « **Reply #66 on:** August 17, 2015, 05:20:59 pm »

^^I just can't help myself!!

Noto · « **Reply #67 on:** August 18, 2015, 06:10:17 am »

http://www.samarins.com/diagnose/p0441.html

This time showing error code p0441.

Apparently vsv purge valve was stuck open. It, and the charcoal canister, were replaced.

Problem solved... for now.

UPDATE:
Drove it to work today - all seems peachy and fully covered under the ECP. I'm very impressed, actually.

Great_Big_Abyss · « **Reply #68 on:** August 18, 2015, 09:26:42 am »

Quote from: Noto on August 17, 2015, 01:58:37 pm

Quote from: rrocket on August 14, 2015, 07:07:33 pm
^^^^^^^^^^ Don't you hate it when someone isn't reliable and makes you wait on them?

I apologized and bought you and IQ lunch! What more can I do

That makes a LOT more sense now.

Noto · « **Reply #69 on:** November 24, 2015, 12:11:39 pm »

So I got an oil change last week at the dealership ($52, taxes-in) and then drove to Guelph for the weekend (as mentioned elsewhere). Lady No-san started the car while I cleared the snow from the windows, and I heard a grinding noise during/1-second after the start. I thought she just held the key too long and thought nothing more of it.

This morning I heard it again. There's a TSB for it:
http://www.toyotapart.com/BRIEF_ENGINE_KNOCK_RATTLE_NOISE_AT_COLD_STARTUP_T-SB-0087-09.pdf

Video (not mine):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRkVg6Vwutk

...but it's not listed under my VIN. Besides, we're beyond the 60 month mark for the powertrain warranty, though we have an 84 month ECP that should cover this. This will be 'fun'

I've also found two other TSBs that I want addressed - one is the involuntary closure of the trunklid (we had received a notification, and when we brought it into the dealership, they said "I don't see any recall when I type in your VIN". Asshat doesn't know the difference between a recall and a TSB. The other TSB is to fix the on-centre steering feel. I hate the Corolla's steering and hope that they'll do this fix:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM430036/INSL-PE10008-54266.pdf

I'm really hoping to get these addressed, but have very, very limited hopes of doing so.

Noto · « **Reply #70 on:** December 08, 2015, 04:35:16 pm »

Updated:

The Corolla went in for said repairs yesternight. Shockingly, the noise on startup did exhibit itself (an intermittent problem that the dealership didn't deny existed!!!) and so the VVT-i gear is being replaced.

The trunk hinge arms are being replaced with a new, spring-loaded system that will stop it from falling back down (something I've never experienced, but hey, why not?) if parked on an incline or in higher winds.

And finally, I found a TSB for steering feel/wandering at highway speeds. They are addressing that, too. They need the car until tomorrow because they've already put in >6 hours of labour and can't finish everything today based on the queue.

Neat.

johngenx · « **Reply #71 on:** December 08, 2015, 04:51:06 pm »

Aren't the trunk spring a recall? We got an actual recall notice about them. Maybe 09 vs 10?

And why so long about the VVTi gear? We had that done when the car was almost new, it's something they've known about for a long time and I thought all the cars would have been done long ago. Our car didn't make the noise, the dealer just made the change proactively.

Sounds like your dealer needs a tune-up on getting stuff done.

Noto · « **Reply #72 on:** December 08, 2015, 04:59:09 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on December 08, 2015, 04:51:06 pm

Aren't the trunk spring a recall? We got an actual recall notice about them. Maybe 09 vs 10?

And why so long about the VVTi gear? We had that done when the car was almost new, it's something they've known about for a long time and I thought all the cars would have been done long ago. Our car didn't make the noise, the dealer just made the change proactively.

Sounds like your dealer needs a tune-up on getting stuff done.

We got the TSB (NOT a recall...it was an optional thing) notice in 2011 about the trunk hinge arm. I brought it in and the service advisor told me he saw no recalls on my VIN and refused to do the work. It was only when the VVT-i went that I started looking for recalls/TSBs to figure out what was wrong when I saw the trunk thing and reported it to the manager about poor service.

And the 6 hours was including the trunk arm, diagnosis, and road test for the steering thing.

johngenx · « **Reply #73 on:** December 08, 2015, 07:27:00 pm »

Quote from: No-san on December 08, 2015, 04:59:09 pm

It was only when the VVT-i went that I started looking for recalls/TSBs to figure out what was wrong when I saw the trunk thing and reported it to the manager about poor service.

Having to do that leg work yourself blows!

Noto · « **Reply #74 on:** December 09, 2015, 12:40:24 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on December 08, 2015, 07:27:00 pm

Quote from: No-san on December 08, 2015, 04:59:09 pm
It was only when the VVT-i went that I started looking for recalls/TSBs to figure out what was wrong when I saw the trunk thing and reported it to the manager about poor service.

Having to do that leg work yourself blows!

Agreed. I suggested to JB and JY that an article be written about SBs vs Recalls...and I was sort of hoping Jacob would affix one of his usual descriptors to the title (i.e. "FRAUD!")

It's ludicrous to me that Toyota acknowledges that there's a widespread problem, doesn't notify owners, but IF the owner knows what to complain about, and IF the service advisor acknowledges the problem (HA!), then the mechanics will have a bulletin to describe how to effect the repairs. Thanks, Toyota, ya scumbag. Make it a recall, voluntary or otherwise.

johngenx · « **Reply #75 on:** December 09, 2015, 12:50:05 pm »

Toyota, in my experience, is one of the better makes for issuing recalls as opposed to TSBs and they also seem good at TSBs. Most makes just bury their heads in the sand and hope everyone goes away.

Subaru? Despite their rep, they're TERRIBLE. Slightly better lately, but man, they left owners on the curb with blown head gaskets, failing transmissions, blown turbos, and engines that drank oil like a dying man in the desert that found a fountain. No recalls and barely a TSB to be seen.

Noto · « **Reply #76 on:** December 09, 2015, 12:56:44 pm »

Quote from: johngenx on December 09, 2015, 12:50:05 pm

Toyota, in my experience, is one of the better makes for issuing recalls as opposed to TSBs and they also seem good at TSBs. Most makes just bury their heads in the sand and hope everyone goes away.

Subaru? Despite their rep, they're TERRIBLE. Slightly better lately, but man, they left owners on the curb with blown head gaskets, failing transmissions, blown turbos, and engines that drank oil like a dying man in the desert that found a fountain. No recalls and barely a TSB to be seen.

TSB = Toyota Service Bulletin, so Subaru's would be an SSB

Specific manufacturers aside, I would love to make all SBs illegal and force all manufacturers to issue recalls to any defect known or ought to have been known. Keeping the problems internal seems criminal to me.

Cord · « **Reply #77 on:** December 09, 2015, 01:05:32 pm »

Quote from: No-san on December 09, 2015, 12:56:44 pm

Quote from: johngenx on December 09, 2015, 12:50:05 pm
Toyota, in my experience, is one of the better makes for issuing recalls as opposed to TSBs and they also seem good at TSBs. Most makes just bury their heads in the sand and hope everyone goes away.

Subaru? Despite their rep, they're TERRIBLE. Slightly better lately, but man, they left owners on the curb with blown head gaskets, failing transmissions, blown turbos, and engines that drank oil like a dying man in the desert that found a fountain. No recalls and barely a TSB to be seen.
TSB = Toyota Service Bulletin, so Subaru's would be an SSB

Specific manufacturers aside, I would love to make all SBs illegal and force all manufacturers to issue recalls to any defect known or ought to have been known. Keeping the problems internal seems criminal to me.

TSB = Technical Service Bulletin. It's a generic term.

Noto · « **Reply #78 on:** December 09, 2015, 01:30:49 pm »

Quote from: Cord on December 09, 2015, 01:05:32 pm

Quote from: No-san on December 09, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: johngenx on December 09, 2015, 12:50:05 pm
Toyota, in my experience, is one of the better makes for issuing recalls as opposed to TSBs and they also seem good at TSBs. Most makes just bury their heads in the sand and hope everyone goes away.

Subaru? Despite their rep, they're TERRIBLE. Slightly better lately, but man, they left owners on the curb with blown head gaskets, failing transmissions, blown turbos, and engines that drank oil like a dying man in the desert that found a fountain. No recalls and barely a TSB to be seen.
TSB = Toyota Service Bulletin, so Subaru's would be an SSB

Specific manufacturers aside, I would love to make all SBs illegal and force all manufacturers to issue recalls to any defect known or ought to have been known. Keeping the problems internal seems criminal to me.

TSB = Technical Service Bulletin. It's a generic term.

I was making a joke...

Cord · « **Reply #79 on:** December 09, 2015, 01:49:14 pm »

Quote from: No-san on December 09, 2015, 01:30:49 pm

Quote from: Cord on December 09, 2015, 01:05:32 pm
Quote from: No-san on December 09, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: johngenx on December 09, 2015, 12:50:05 pm
Toyota, in my experience, is one of the better makes for issuing recalls as opposed to TSBs and they also seem good at TSBs. Most makes just bury their heads in the sand and hope everyone goes away.

Subaru? Despite their rep, they're TERRIBLE. Slightly better lately, but man, they left owners on the curb with blown head gaskets, failing transmissions, blown turbos, and engines that drank oil like a dying man in the desert that found a fountain. No recalls and barely a TSB to be seen.
TSB = Toyota Service Bulletin, so Subaru's would be an SSB

Specific manufacturers aside, I would love to make all SBs illegal and force all manufacturers to issue recalls to any defect known or ought to have been known. Keeping the problems internal seems criminal to me.

TSB = Technical Service Bulletin. It's a generic term.
I was making a joke...

No you weren't.