Topic: Winter Test: 2015 Hyundai Genesis and Santa Fe XL

[BradT]

I am having a hard job seeing the front left tire on the Genesis due to the size of my screen, but are the tires installed the correct direction?

[sacrat]

A performance-oriented ice/dry pavement winter tire was the strategy chosen - it clearly didn't work out. We may have had slightly better luck with another model like the Dunlop Wintersport, but who knows.

The only way to really know how much was the tires vs. the AWD system would be the following...

"So a Quattro, an HTRAC, and a 4-Matic walk into a bar. They all are dressed differently, but  wearing identical shoes.The weather outside is atrocious, but after a few drinks the alcohol starts kicking in and they agree go outside for a foot race...

[wing]

Tires tires tires.   Most important piece in the equation no question.

I've got performance winter tires on my isf.   They are useless on anything by dry pavement.

Even in cold dry pavement they can be easily overwhelmed.

[Spec5]

I thought the piece regarding the Genesis was kind of pointless. Obviously conditions were atrocious - why bother writing it at all. At times it seems like you're saying the AWD system is ineffective and inferior to its competitors and at other times just blaming the tires. Either way that portion of the article may as well have been left out as it didn't really form any type of conclusions at all - other than maybe sometimes its best to just stay off the roads. Mention that you tried to review and that mother nature wouldn't let you and let that be the end of it - focus on the Santa Fe.

[JG20]

I am having a hard job seeing the front left tire on the Genesis due to the size of my screen, but are the tires installed the correct direction?

I took a look at the pics after seeing this post and I think BradT may be right.  The directional sypes look like they are going the opposite way.  This can make a big difference in the way the tire digs into the snow and could explain the unpredictable handling described.

[Noto]

There was oversteer. There was understeer. There was lateral sliding while driving down a straight, off-camber road. There were a lot of things going on that, cumulatively, can only be explained by a lack of traction/grip due to tires. (Our car also had a very close call. If I was at the wheel, I would have written about the near-miss explicitly. But, due to professional courtesy to the driver -- not Hyundai -- I didn't mentioned it in detail.)

I've driven the Genesis before in the summer. Force is going to kill me for this but I'll say it anyway -- even with all the nannies off it's very, very hard to get it out of shape, no matter how hard you try to get it out of shape. So, at least in summer (dry and wet), the all-wheel drive system is great.
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But, I explained the way I did because I truly don't know what to think of the HTRAC system. The conditions and tires conspired against the test. It happens. It sucks. I wish I could have said more.

Thanks for the explanation, Mark!  See, what a guy

I appreciate it (no sarcasm - only honesty).  And no matter the explanation, I think criticism is the only way to get proper progress.

"So a Quattro, an HTRAC, and a 4-Matic walk into a bar. They all are dressed differently, but  wearing identical shoes.The weather outside is atrocious, but after a few drinks the alcohol starts kicking in and they agree go outside for a foot race...

[MarkStevenson]

I thought the piece regarding the Genesis was kind of pointless. Obviously conditions were atrocious - why bother writing it at all. At times it seems like you're saying the AWD system is ineffective and inferior to its competitors and at other times just blaming the tires. Either way that portion of the article may as well have been left out as it didn't really form any type of conclusions at all - other than maybe sometimes its best to just stay off the roads. Mention that you tried to review and that mother nature wouldn't let you and let that be the end of it - focus on the Santa Fe.

If I didn't mention the Genesis, we wouldn't be having this at-length conversation about tires. I think that's a good thing.

[Noto]

If I didn't mention the Genesis, we wouldn't be having this at-length conversation about tires. I think that's a good thing.

Agreed.

Like I said - I was trying to be constructive and honest.  No ill-will whatsoever towards the test, Hyundai, or the author.

I actually really enjoyed reading the article - it gave me stuff to argue about

[CanuckS2K]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

[Ex-airbalancer]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

Looks like about $3gs this month

[Patrick_D1]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

You're going to see us gradually shifting our offers towards leasing this year. This has historically been a weak point for us as we did not have a captive financing company. As of March 1, this is no longer the case. Some of our competitors have lease penetration in the 80% range, so that's the direction we'll be moving.

If you have any questions leading up to your purchase process, feel free to PM me. Happy to help a forum member in any way I can, including locating a car in the specification you want.

[EV-Light]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

Unless they have amazing deals, wait till 2016...Hyundais are known to drop in value fast, I bet you will be able to get a Genesis for 30s...


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[Jaeger]

Have you driven one yet Shane? Interested in your thoughts if and when you do.

[CanuckS2K]

Have you driven one yet Shane? Interested in your thoughts if and when you do.

No, I haven't driven one yet Roger.  I've seen a couple on the streets so far and really really love how they look.  And they tick quite a few of the right boxes for my next vehicle as well.  I'm not even sure if our local dealership stocks them yet, but would definitely like to test drive one if they do. 

[CanuckS2K]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

You're going to see us gradually shifting our offers towards leasing this year. This has historically been a weak point for us as we did not have a captive financing company. As of March 1, this is no longer the case. Some of our competitors have lease penetration in the 80% range, so that's the direction we'll be moving.

If you have any questions leading up to your purchase process, feel free to PM me. Happy to help a forum member in any way I can, including locating a car in the specification you want.

Thanks Force, very good to know!   

[aquadorhj]

Force, quick question for you if you don't mind.  At this point I really have no idea what my next purchase will be later this year........but the Genesis does appeal to me and I've priced one out on their website.  Just curious if Hyundai typically has much cash on the hood for these?

You're going to see us gradually shifting our offers towards leasing this year. This has historically been a weak point for us as we did not have a captive financing company. As of March 1, this is no longer the case. Some of our competitors have lease penetration in the 80% range, so that's the direction we'll be moving.

If you have any questions leading up to your purchase process, feel free to PM me. Happy to help a forum member in any way I can, including locating a car in the specification you want.

aww come on force!  you are not gonna offer to drive a demo out to NB so Canuck can try it out for a month or so?
what's forum brother gotta do to get some love around here?   


Quick, Canuck, ship him some barrels of your finest brew! 

[Minou]

http://blogues.lapresse.ca/monvolant/descarries/2015/02/28/buick-enclave-et-hyundai-genesis-et-santa-fe-en-hiver/

According to this well regarded reviewer of winter tires in Quebec, who was also present at the Hyundai event, it was more an issue with inappropriate tire size for the conditions than the tires themselves.  These aggressively sized summer wheels (245/45-18) are not the best thing for driving on any kind of winter conditions one finds in La Belle Province.  A minus 1 or 2 setup would definitely be my choice overhere.

[MarkStevenson]

http://blogues.lapresse.ca/monvolant/descarries/2015/02/28/buick-enclave-et-hyundai-genesis-et-santa-fe-en-hiver/

According to this well regarded reviewer of winter tires in Quebec, who was also present at the Hyundai event, it was more an issue with inappropriate tire size for the conditions than the tires themselves.  These aggressively sized summer wheels (245/45-18) are not the best thing for driving on any kind of winter conditions one finds in La Belle Province.  A minus 1 or 2 setup would definitely be my choice overhere.

I'd say Eric and I are both correct. Yes, a smaller, narrower tire would be better for winter. That said, I'm willing to bet the majority of Canadians (and definitely the majority of Genesis drivers) wouldn't run winter wheels.

Force -- can the Genesis even handle a -2 inch wheel? I'm guessing it could go -1 but I highly doubt -2.

[Minou]

http://blogues.lapresse.ca/monvolant/descarries/2015/02/28/buick-enclave-et-hyundai-genesis-et-santa-fe-en-hiver/

According to this well regarded reviewer of winter tires in Quebec, who was also present at the Hyundai event, it was more an issue with inappropriate tire size for the conditions than the tires themselves.  These aggressively sized summer wheels (245/45-18) are not the best thing for driving on any kind of winter conditions one finds in La Belle Province.  A minus 1 or 2 setup would definitely be my choice overhere.

I'd say Eric and I are both correct. Yes, a smaller, narrower tire would be better for winter. That said, I'm willing to bet the majority of Canadians (and definitely the majority of Genesis drivers) wouldn't run winter wheels.

Force -- can the Genesis even handle a -2 inch wheel? I'm guessing it could go -1 but I highly doubt -2.

This is just me who suggested -2 but I'm afraid the Genesis can't go down to 16''.   A 17'' option would be a good compromise.

[Patrick_D1]

http://blogues.lapresse.ca/monvolant/descarries/2015/02/28/buick-enclave-et-hyundai-genesis-et-santa-fe-en-hiver/

According to this well regarded reviewer of winter tires in Quebec, who was also present at the Hyundai event, it was more an issue with inappropriate tire size for the conditions than the tires themselves.  These aggressively sized summer wheels (245/45-18) are not the best thing for driving on any kind of winter conditions one finds in La Belle Province.  A minus 1 or 2 setup would definitely be my choice overhere.

I'd say Eric and I are both correct. Yes, a smaller, narrower tire would be better for winter. That said, I'm willing to bet the majority of Canadians (and definitely the majority of Genesis drivers) wouldn't run winter wheels.

Force -- can the Genesis even handle a -2 inch wheel? I'm guessing it could go -1 but I highly doubt -2.

I'm not aware of any 16" wheel which would fit. Many 17" wheel designs will not fit because the front brakes use big 4-piston fixed calipers. The V8 has even larger rotors, so its winter fitment is 18" at the smallest. This is a challenge with many large sedans with big brake packages. Ideally you'd want to fit a narrow tire, but the brake dimensions forbid downsizing to a small enough wheel.