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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #420 on: July 19, 2016, 11:44:04 pm »


It won't be long before Toyota will be shown up,

Get in line.   ::)  People have been saying this for years.  And Toyota just keeps making money and selling more cars...
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #421 on: July 19, 2016, 11:50:26 pm »

  They did look at the RAV4 Hybrid and when they found out that it wouldn't improve on the gas mileage on their 15 year old Tercel,



Clearly these people are dingbats.  Who hopes to get subcompact Toyota Tercel gas mileage in a modern CUV/SUV?  Nobody.  Did I mention a Tercel is a subcompact car FFS.   ::)  Either way, the Rav4 Hybrid does get better MPG (34/31 33avg)  than a Tercel (27/35 30avg).  10% more avg.  And it's safer.  And has AWD, better build quality, etc etc etc..

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #422 on: July 21, 2016, 11:07:09 am »
Now that Tesla has announced that they're working on a whole line of 'affordable' cars, and buses and trucks, will all the hipsters abandon the brand?
My diesel car self-identifies as an electric vehicle.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #423 on: July 21, 2016, 11:39:17 am »
A family member of mine will not be buying another Toyota, because they want a plugin with reasonable range. 

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104921_2017-toyota-prius-prime-first-drive-of-new-plug-in-hybrid

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #424 on: July 21, 2016, 10:43:01 pm »
"Except an ICE car will use twice or more the amount of energy to go the same distance as an EV if BTUs of gasoline are converted to kWhs. I can only see your point in case of ~90% of some state's electricity is produced from coal. An EV would still be more efficient but at a huge price of air pollution." - EV Dan

Two cars, one EV another ICE, will consume the same amount of energy if CD, rolling resistance, frontal area and weight numbers are same. 
The difference in the amount of pollutant comes from the thermal efficiency of ICE and fire-powered plants...

ICE : 40% peak at best, 25 ~30% peak in general, 15% half-throttle everyday driving
Coal-fired plant: 45% at best, 35% in general
IGCC(Integrated Coal Gasfication Combined Cycle) plant: 48~50%
Natural gas-powered combined cycle plant: 58~59%
2017 Prius Hybrid: more than 50% at best, 30%(?) half-throttle everyday driving
EV loss in transmission, charging, AC/DC(/AC) conversion: 10%(optimistic?)

As far as CO2 pollution is concerned best combination is drive an EV and live in Quebec or
BC where about 90% of electricity comes from hydro plant, and in Ontario where more than
90% comes from nuke, hydro and wind combined. Alberta does not do well in this regard.
90% of its electricity comes from coal and natural gas, 51% and 39% respectively. At best
its coal-fired plant's efficiencyis about 45%(?) at Edmonton Genesee 3 supercritical steam plant.
Alberta's priorityis to use its own coal and natural gas, just as SOB(South of the Boarder) peaple
use coal produced in the impoverished West Virginia.

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« Reply #425 on: July 22, 2016, 10:42:36 am »
It's a one-all draw  :P



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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #426 on: July 22, 2016, 02:49:39 pm »
Quote from: AP link=topic=90866.msg1211478#msg1211478

Unless you go 60 volt, it seems to be the battery powered lawn mowers lack the cutting strength of the gas powered units...
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You can't beat gas engines and their horsepower for properly cutting lawns

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #427 on: July 22, 2016, 03:16:34 pm »
Does a battery powered lawn mower meet the theme of this thread?  Perhaps only if it is self-propelled...

Be that as it may, I bought the Ryobi 16" 40 volt battery powered lawn mower.  I loved its quietness and lightness.  But I still returned it after one cut.  Cut quality was poor.  Did not mulch very well.  And did not bag well either (leaving strips of grass clippings with each pass).

Unless you go 60 volt, it seems to be the battery powered lawn mowers lack the cutting strength of the gas powered units...

I have the 20" Ryobi. While I agree it does not mulch well, it cuts the grass very cleanly. On the few occasions I used the bag it worked just as weel as any gas powered lawn mower.

Mine has the brushless motor, and it adjust the torque to the cutting load. It came with 2 batteries so range anxiety is a non issue. I've had it for 2 seasons now and love it; as you mentioned lightness and quietness are it's best attributes.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #428 on: July 22, 2016, 03:26:30 pm »
What does volt of the battery have to do with the "cutting strength " is that all a marketing tool
Power is wattage (hp)  ;D
A wattage ( hp) is the same no matter what the voltage is

115/1/60, 208/1/60, 208/3/60 , 575/3/60 , all different voltage , that can drive 1 hp (750 watts) motor with the same torque



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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #429 on: July 22, 2016, 04:11:58 pm »
What does volt of the battery have to do with the "cutting strength " is that all a marketing tool
Power is wattage (hp)  ;D
A wattage ( hp) is the same no matter what the voltage is

115/1/60, 208/1/60, 208/3/60 , 575/3/60 , all different voltage , that can drive 1 hp (750 watts) motor with the same torque

Details, details.

For once, the explanation matters not to me.  It is the answer I care about: Is the 20" Ryobi (spec'd out to, dare I say, 40 volts) a worthy substitute for a gasser?
Post a link of the specs 😏
That is the wattage or hp of the motor

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #430 on: July 22, 2016, 04:21:59 pm »
Here's the link to the lawnmower.

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.20-inch-40v-brushless-mower-with-two-40-amp-batteries.1000826947.html

I think the 16'' does not have the brushless motor. It makes a big difference in the performance.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #431 on: July 22, 2016, 04:35:38 pm »
Those spec are useless , it tell you nothing about the motor
Would you buy a gas lawnmower with looking at the hp ?

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #432 on: July 22, 2016, 06:08:54 pm »
FWIW, this is the highest rated battery mower that CR has tested

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.56v-li-ion-21-inch-lawnmower-kit.1000850647.html

It's a :censor: off that they aren't required to disclose the power of the electric motor. In general though, a 56V battery with a 5Ah battery will put out more power than a 40Vbattery at 5Ah, though not for as long.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #433 on: July 22, 2016, 11:15:24 pm »
FWIW, this is the highest rated battery mower that CR has tested

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.56v-li-ion-21-inch-lawnmower-kit.1000850647.html

It's a :censor: off that they aren't required to disclose the power of the electric motor. In general though, a 56V battery with a 5Ah battery will put out more power than a 40Vbattery at 5Ah, though not for as long.

0.28kWh then. 280W motor run for an hour or 1.1KW motor run for 15 minutes at max load. Who knows. Gotta take off the plastic cover and look inside.
p.s. lawn mowers should really be in the Buy and DIY thread.  :-X
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #434 on: July 23, 2016, 09:39:32 am »

Two cars, one EV another ICE, will consume the same amount of energy if CD, rolling resistance, frontal area and weight numbers are same. 


That's only true if the electric motor and the engine have the same efficiency.



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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #435 on: July 23, 2016, 04:01:22 pm »
http://www.motortrend.com/news/u-s-sets-aside-4-5-billion-bolster-ev-charging-infrastructure/

So, the US is building it's infrastructure accordingly - not only BEV, but hydrogen, propane, and natural gas. I'd be curious how the election will affect this funding as Trump has stated he would kibosh anything that reflects climate change initiatives.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #436 on: July 25, 2016, 12:01:27 pm »
The Ford C-Max plug in is actually quite interesting to me. Decent horsepower, 180hp plus, and unlike a Prius, it actually looks decent.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #437 on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:27 pm »
The Ford C-Max plug in is actually quite interesting to me. Decent horsepower, 180hp plus, and unlike a Prius, it actually looks decent.
For the best electric range /price ratio look no farther than the new Volt. I wish they gave it a 60kWh battery, instead of Bolt. I like the exterior design better.

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« Reply #438 on: July 25, 2016, 09:36:59 pm »
The Ford C-Max plug in is actually quite interesting to me. Decent horsepower, 180hp plus, and unlike a Prius, it actually looks decent.
For the best electric range /price ratio look no farther than the new Volt. I wish they gave it a 60kWh battery, instead of Bolt. I like the exterior design better.

IIRC, the new Prius Prime has a much better MPGe rating than the Volt.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Thread
« Reply #439 on: July 25, 2016, 10:07:20 pm »
The Ford C-Max plug in is actually quite interesting to me. Decent horsepower, 180hp plus, and unlike a Prius, it actually looks decent.
For the best electric range /price ratio look no farther than the new Volt. I wish they gave it a 60kWh battery, instead of Bolt. I like the exterior design better.

IIRC, the new Prius Prime has a much better MPGe rating than the Volt.

http://insideevs.com/first-drive-toyota-prius-prime/
120 MPGe "blended" according to the link

Volt: 106 MPGe it seems.

Driving distances should be taken into account to see which is more efficient. I'd also like to see Miles/kWh when operated in pure EV mode, for both cars.

In essence I suppose Volt is a better car when driven mostly on electrons. In mixed mode on unlimited distance Prius Prime will be more efficient.