Topic: VW Clean gas engines may not be clean

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Honestly, it's time for an INDUSTRY-WIDE investigation.  Let's look at the Cruz diesel, the diesel pickups, the turbo'd Fiestas, etc. 

VW may be a whipping boy now but just you watch how quickly the EPA will change their tune if / when the domestic boys are implicated.

Do you seriously think the US government will pull their punches for NA manufacturers?

At this point, VW is the only manufacturer that has deliberately and with malice aforethought set out to cheat emissions tests.

Well this decade anyway.  Almost 20 years ago some American companies did the same thing and were fined a billion dollars by the EPA.

Prior emissions cheats were relatively minor. The largest prior fine was $83M paid by Volvo heavy trucks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Previous_defeat_device_cases

[Ex-airbalancer]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-diesel-fix-1.3327892

[johngenx]

"Self policing" - good strategy, eh?   

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Honestly, it's time for an INDUSTRY-WIDE investigation.  Let's look at the Cruz diesel, the diesel pickups, the turbo'd Fiestas, etc. 

VW may be a whipping boy now but just you watch how quickly the EPA will change their tune if / when the domestic boys are implicated.

Do you seriously think the US government will pull their punches for NA manufacturers?

At this point, VW is the only manufacturer that has deliberately and with malice aforethought set out to cheat emissions tests.

Well this decade anyway.  Almost 20 years ago some American companies did the same thing and were fined a billion dollars by the EPA.

Prior emissions cheats were relatively minor. The largest prior fine was $83M paid by Volvo heavy trucks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Previous_defeat_device_cases

No, there were others that totalled a billion or so.

http://jalopnik.com/how-the-epa-won-1-billion-from-diesel-cheaters-long-be-1732109485

[Caterpillar, Inc., Cummins Engine Company, Detroit Diesel Corporation, Mack Trucks, Inc., Navistar International Transportation Corporation, Renault Vehicules Industriels, s.a., and the Volvo Truck Corporation] were forced to spend a collective one billion dollars in total, including an $83.4 million civil penalty [for Volvo], at the time the largest ever for violation of environmental law.

The largest individual fine was Volvo's. Some had multiple infractions.

[EV-Light]

Just don't come near my Golf R unless you're going to INCREASE power and torque.  I couldn't care less about the CO2 emissions or whatever.

that the next engine in line for a recall...

The 2.0T motor (actually all of the gasoline VW motors) in North America differ from those sold in Europe.  Can you tell me what that difference is and why the CO2 issue won't affect them?  We know your reading comprehension and understanding is below grade but I wanted to give you a chance.

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[Sir Osis of Liver]

15 yard penalty, first down. 

[ltruong]

Honestly, it's time for an INDUSTRY-WIDE investigation.  Let's look at the Cruz diesel, the diesel pickups, the turbo'd Fiestas, etc. 

VW may be a whipping boy now but just you watch how quickly the EPA will change their tune if / when the domestic boys are implicated.

Do you seriously think the US government will pull their punches for NA manufacturers?

At this point, VW is the only manufacturer that has deliberately and with malice aforethought set out to cheat emissions tests.

The new Jag F-Pace  is listed with an optional 2.0 Diesel

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Honestly, it's time for an INDUSTRY-WIDE investigation.  Let's look at the Cruz diesel, the diesel pickups, the turbo'd Fiestas, etc. 

VW may be a whipping boy now but just you watch how quickly the EPA will change their tune if / when the domestic boys are implicated.

Do you seriously think the US government will pull their punches for NA manufacturers?

At this point, VW is the only manufacturer that has deliberately and with malice aforethought set out to cheat emissions tests.

Well this decade anyway.  Almost 20 years ago some American companies did the same thing and were fined a billion dollars by the EPA.

Prior emissions cheats were relatively minor. The largest prior fine was $83M paid by Volvo heavy trucks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Previous_defeat_device_cases

No, there were others that totalled a billion or so.

http://jalopnik.com/how-the-epa-won-1-billion-from-diesel-cheaters-long-be-1732109485

[Caterpillar, Inc., Cummins Engine Company, Detroit Diesel Corporation, Mack Trucks, Inc., Navistar International Transportation Corporation, Renault Vehicules Industriels, s.a., and the Volvo Truck Corporation] were forced to spend a collective one billion dollars in total, including an $83.4 million civil penalty [for Volvo], at the time the largest ever for violation of environmental law.

The largest individual fine was Volvo's. Some had multiple infractions.

Right.  But the total bill for offenders was over a billion dollars.

Sorry, what are you trying to disprove?

There was no prior case where the fine was "billions". The prior record fine for emissions cheating was $83M.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Kenzie on the matter.  He speaks the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf66PM3enh0

As usual McKenzie is full of regarding anything environmental.

[safristi]

So attacking McKenzie makes U feel Greener?..where is the Counterpoint argument?

[Guy]

Since he owns 2 TDI's doesn't he have a personal interest in downplaying the whole affair; and using his forum to do so?

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Why don't we keep this in a single thread?

[johngenx]

Why don't we keep this in a single thread?

Because all things related to this topic must have their own thread.

[rrocket]

Why don't we keep this in a single thread?

Stupidest question ever.  This is CTC, dummy!   

[Sir Osis of Liver]

Why don't we keep this in a single thread?

Stupidest question ever.  This is CTC, dummy!   

 

[Ex-airbalancer]

Is $1000 from VW Canada enough to make you happy
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-canada-rebate-1.3353942

[EV-Light]

Latest on VW:

Volkswagen Group recently secured a $21.1 billion loan for costs related to its global diesel emissions scandal. It’s a sizable amount of cash even for a company as large as VW. That said, the company may have to take drastic measures in order to repay that loan, including the divestment of prestigious brands like Lamborghini and Bentley.

Reuters reports Volkswagen secured the loan through 13 banks and has one year to pay it off. If it fails to come up with the cash by then, Volkswagen assured the lenders it has more than enough assets to sell off to meet its obligations. The report suggests a large chunk would come from the group’s MAN subsidiary, which manufactures a number of goods including ship engines.

The report also says the company is ready to divest some of its premium nameplates like Lamborghini, Bentley, and Ducati. Popular brands including Audi and Porsche would likely remain untouched.

The group’s diesel scandal, which affects around 11 million vehicles worldwide, surfaced earlier this year after researchers and government officials discovered a cheat device that manipulates the amount of emissions the engine emits in testing and real-world situations. The scandal affects most 2.0-liter I-4 engines, as well as the group’s 3.0-liter V-6 models.

The company is expected to spend billions in order to cover costs to fix the affected cars, as well as face numerous lawsuits and fines. The automaker also took big hits to its market value and recent sales numbers around the world in the U.S. where it saw a 24.7-percent drop in November alon

http://www.motortrend.com/news/vw-group-willing-to-unload-lamborghini-bentley-to-repay-loans/

[safristi]

IMHO..unintended consequences of allowing politicians to direct fuel consumption and "pollution" levels (Y'all BREATH dontcha).in the name of GOD GIAI and their greenie hanger ons.....55MPH with Zero emissions SURE DUDE NO PROBLEMO...well there is and are many Problems with blue sky dreaming every Gov solyndra et al are total waste of monies.....the RULE  MAKERS don'r suffer see Obama with Jetting everywhere and 15 car motorcades to go 2 blocks.....and the lick spittle followers..exempt....


 one day we will wake up...NOT...too PHUSSYFIED

[Sir Osis of Liver]

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[Ex-airbalancer]

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Is that Regina ?