Topic: Ford F-150 To Get V6 Diesel Power

[Autos_Editor]

Once shelved engine to be resurrected and shoehorned into new F-150

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[mixmanmash]

Nice.  That diesel would be a star combined with the weight reduction on the truck.

10 Speed transmissions?  15 is better.    But seriously, I think 6 is enough.

Do like the idea of the Expedition and Navigator going aluminum, but I think they need a major thorough rework to be competitive with the 2015 Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban/Escalade.

[dkaz]

I love competition. Consumers win.

[tpl]

That power train sounds as if it would work in a LeMans car with just a good helping of boost and a change in axle ratio.  If Audi can do it, Ford could do it.   

[Frontier1]

Dodge diesel, Ford diesel, Nissan diesel...guaranteed GM is brewing something.  Now who's missing at the party?

[mixmanmash]

Dodge diesel, Ford diesel, Nissan diesel...guaranteed GM is brewing something.  Now who's missing at the party?

Toyota. Did I guess right?

[Ex-airbalancer]

Dodge diesel, Ford diesel, Nissan diesel...guaranteed GM is brewing something.  Now who's missing at the party?

Toyota. Did I guess right?

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/11/toyota-tundra-diesel-undergoing-testing.html

[sailor723]

It all makes sense when you think about it. I would think diesel power in light duty trucks and larger CUV's will go a long ways towards hitting future CAFE targets.

[mixmanmash]

It all makes sense when you think about it. I would think diesel power in light duty trucks and larger CUV's will go a long ways towards hitting future CAFE targets.

Absolutely.  Now if they do the same with the larger SUV/CUVs, it will make a big difference.

[Seafoam]

Ford has to make a diesel that is not utter crap though. We have a 6 or 6.7 litre at work that has had 3 engines replaced. While my 13 year old 7.2 soldiers on in my work vehicle.
Time will tell.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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[sailor723]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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Maybe the they should just license the emissions control technology from VW or Benz. They seem to have it figured out.

[tpl]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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Maybe the they should just license the emissions control technology from VW or Benz. They seem to have it figured out.

Do either Co make diesels of that size?    I presume they make much bigger ones for 18 wheelers and smaller ones for cars but wouldn't 6-7 litres  be in a spot where the euros would not have vehicles that needed engines of that size or, equally likely, had far different emission requirements. 

But then I don't see why these 1 tonne pickups need such enormous engines rather than something 1/2 the size with a big turbo.

[sailor723]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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Maybe the they should just license the emissions control technology from VW or Benz. They seem to have it figured out.

Do either Co make diesels of that size?    I presume they make much bigger ones for 18 wheelers and smaller ones for cars but wouldn't 6-7 litres  be in a spot where the euros would not have vehicles that needed engines of that size or, equally likely, had far different emission requirements. 

But then I don't see why these 1 tonne pickups need such enormous engines rather than something 1/2 the size with a big turbo.

But in this case Ford is talking about a 3.0 V6 in a half ton. That's right up VW and MB's allley

[Seafoam]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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Yeah i guess it wasn't the 6.7 definately the 6.0 . No 6.7 in the fleet though,we gave up after we had so much trouble. Our newer trucks are all gas,V10's.
Gas is cheaper than all the downtime and maintenance.It was also hard to get a good diesel mechanic to work on them. I'm glad i didn't own one you would go bankrupt
keeping one on the road.

[Sir Osis of Liver]

The Navistar 6.0L and 6.4L both had issues. The current 6.7L was designed in house by Ford and has been much better.

But everyone has been struggling with all of the complexity of the required emissions equipment.

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Maybe the they should just license the emissions control technology from VW or Benz. They seem to have it figured out.

The Germans have had their fair share of issues too. VW had issues with their particulate trap system on non-urea equipped cars.

Ford and GM have a long history with euro diesels, but these new emissions standards are forcing everybody to adapt.

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[PJungnitsch]

Navistar pointed out that in their applications the diesels gave very little trouble. Ford cranked up the injection pump boosting hp by about a hundred to keep up with Chev and Dodge. Headbolts stretch, headgaskets blow, boom!

And that's stock. Start chipping the engines and the problems get worse.

[Fobroader]

Navistar pointed out that in their applications the diesels gave very little trouble. Ford cranked up the injection pump boosting hp by about a hundred to keep up with Chev and Dodge. Headbolts stretch, headgaskets blow, boom!

And that's stock. Start chipping the engines and the problems get worse.

You can "fix" all the shortcomings of a 6 or a 6.4L with about $5-6K and make them pretty bulletproof. The problem with all diesels is when owners start screwing with them.....biggest one being buying a power programmer and cranking it up to Stage 6 just to see what she does, EGTs spike, stuff starts to melt and break, turbos over speed,  trannys implode.

[mixmanmash]

Navistar pointed out that in their applications the diesels gave very little trouble. Ford cranked up the injection pump boosting hp by about a hundred to keep up with Chev and Dodge. Headbolts stretch, headgaskets blow, boom!

And that's stock. Start chipping the engines and the problems get worse.

You can "fix" all the shortcomings of a 6 or a 6.4L with about $5-6K and make them pretty bulletproof. The problem with all diesels is when owners start screwing with them.....biggest one being buying a power programmer and cranking it up to Stage 6 just to see what she does, EGTs spike, stuff starts to melt and break, turbos over speed,  trannys implode.

Yup.  Like a buddy of mine who is big into diesel tuning told me, your first $500 - $1000 on a programmer to get more power will set you back your next $10000 to build everything strong enough to handle it.

[Fobroader]

Navistar pointed out that in their applications the diesels gave very little trouble. Ford cranked up the injection pump boosting hp by about a hundred to keep up with Chev and Dodge. Headbolts stretch, headgaskets blow, boom!

And that's stock. Start chipping the engines and the problems get worse.

You can "fix" all the shortcomings of a 6 or a 6.4L with about $5-6K and make them pretty bulletproof. The problem with all diesels is when owners start screwing with them.....biggest one being buying a power programmer and cranking it up to Stage 6 just to see what she does, EGTs spike, stuff starts to melt and break, turbos over speed,  trannys implode.

Yup.  Like a buddy of mine who is big into diesel tuning told me, your first $500 - $1000 on a programmer to get more power will set you back your next $10000 to build everything strong enough to handle it.

People dont get that, yeah, modern diesels are stupid easy to get power out of.....the problem is sh!t breaks.