Author Topic: Ontario Man Jailed for Curbsiding (Read 9715 times)

Autos_Editor · « **on:** January 21, 2013, 10:46:35 am »

Andre N. Campbell of Mississauga has been sentenced to 32 days in jail after being convicted on 16 counts of acting as a motor vehicle dealer without benefit of registration (curbsiding), contrary to the Motor Vehicle Dealers Act, 1990.
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tpl · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2013, 10:55:42 am »

Shouldn't go to jail...too expensive. How about 32 blows from a baseball bat?

redman · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2013, 11:03:25 am »

Let's keep it traditional.

Cat o' nine tails

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o%27_nine_tails

tooscoops · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:14:51 pm »

its such a joke anyways... so caught multiple times in the past... didn't ever actually pay any fines... now spends a month in jail?.... whoopdeedoo. he'll be let out with outstanding fines, then will never pay those... in two more years, he'll be back in front of a judge for doing it again.

and the driving instructor... when you drive for a living (don't car if its racing, training or whatever) you should be more aware of the market and people like this.

Kinetis · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:39:10 pm »

How about a mandatory audit every year, paid by him, to make sure he's on the up and up.

Gardiner Westbound · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:41:13 pm »

"Campbell was charged in 2006 after Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council (OMVIC) investigators found he routinely purchased vehicles from salvage auctions, conducted repairs and then sold them, posing as a private individual selling a personal vehicle. Many purchasers were not told of the previous damage the vehicles had sustained."

Salvage vehicles are required to pass a structural inspection test before receiving the brand of "rebuilt". How did he get around that?

Fobroader · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:44:30 pm »

Quote from: Gardiner Westbound on January 21, 2013, 01:41:13 pm

"Campbell was charged in 2006 after Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council (OMVIC) investigators found he routinely purchased vehicles from salvage auctions, conducted repairs and then sold them, posing as a private individual selling a personal vehicle. Many purchasers were not told of the previous damage the vehicles had sustained."

Salvage vehicles are required to pass a structural inspection test before receiving the brand of "rebuilt". How did he get around that?

Seedy mechanic with a licence, maybe he got a licence.....

blur911 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:01:35 pm »

Quote from: Fobroader on January 21, 2013, 01:44:30 pm

Quote from: Gardiner Westbound on January 21, 2013, 01:41:13 pm
"Campbell was charged in 2006 after Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council (OMVIC) investigators found he routinely purchased vehicles from salvage auctions, conducted repairs and then sold them, posing as a private individual selling a personal vehicle. Many purchasers were not told of the previous damage the vehicles had sustained."

Salvage vehicles are required to pass a structural inspection test before receiving the brand of "rebuilt". How did he get around that?

Seedy mechanic with a licence, maybe he got a licence.....

I believe you need a licensed structural repair person and a licensed facility. Can't do it in your backyard.
But, if the vehicle didn't have structural damage then it wouldn't be branded and there may be no trace of the repairs.

tenpenny · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2013, 06:40:18 pm »

Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 11:12:38 am

I am more interested in whether he has been forced to make restitution to the people he ripped off.

A few days in jail might just afford this jerk some training from the pros on how to boost cars in addition to posing as a private vendor. We could be worse off for this.

Who did he rip off?

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dkaz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2013, 07:26:00 pm »

The government? I don't know how purchasing from a curbsider is any worse than selling from Joe Schmoe.

rrocket · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2013, 07:29:12 pm »

Quote from: DKaz on January 21, 2013, 07:26:00 pm

The government? I don't know how purchasing from a curbsider is any worse than selling from Joe Schmoe.

Sometimes Joe Schmoe doesn't know any better. They're not car people, so they have no clue.

This guy knows better.

Julie · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2013, 07:32:22 pm »

Quote from: tooscoops on January 21, 2013, 01:14:51 pm

its such a joke anyways... so caught multiple times in the past... didn't ever actually pay any fines... now spends a month in jail?.... whoopdeedoo. he'll be let out with outstanding fines, then will never pay those... in two more years, he'll be back in front of a judge for doing it again.

+1

tenpenny · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2013, 08:27:38 pm »

Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 07:35:18 pm

Quote from: tenpenny on January 21, 2013, 06:40:18 pm
Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 11:12:38 am
I am more interested in whether he has been forced to make restitution to the people he ripped off.

A few days in jail might just afford this jerk some training from the pros on how to boost cars in addition to posing as a private vendor. We could be worse off for this.

Who did he rip off?

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Did you read the story?

Yes, sounds like any other used car dealer.

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redman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2013, 08:49:59 am »

Quote from: tenpenny on January 21, 2013, 08:27:38 pm

Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Quote from: tenpenny on January 21, 2013, 06:40:18 pm
Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 11:12:38 am
I am more interested in whether he has been forced to make restitution to the people he ripped off.

A few days in jail might just afford this jerk some training from the pros on how to boost cars in addition to posing as a private vendor. We could be worse off for this.

Who did he rip off?

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Did you read the story?

Yes, sounds like any other used car dealer.

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Except that used car dealers must abide by OMVIC rules and clearly state that they are reselling a vehicle, have a brick and mortar facility and are licensed.
Curbsiders generally don't even flip the ownership to their name, have nothing more than a unmarked phone and have no brick and mortar location. This just for starters.

safristi · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2013, 08:55:59 am »

OMVIC has cleared up as few chest colds for me...........................

...rubbing those Bricks and Mortar just leaves ugly red marks...........

tooscoops · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:15:17 pm »

the people buying from these guys get screwed twice... not only do they buy a crappy car, but being that it was purchased by a non-OMVIC dealer, there is little to no protection for the buyer aside from general contract law.

OMVIC will try hard to get the curbsider in trouble, but won't really help any of the "victims". after all, that's why they even put ads out there telling potential buyers to only buy from OMVIC certified people and businesses.

rrocket · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2013, 05:26:32 pm »

OMVIC is a joke...and does nothing for the consumer.

tenpenny · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2013, 05:39:17 pm »

Quote from: redman on January 22, 2013, 08:49:59 am

Quote from: tenpenny on January 21, 2013, 08:27:38 pm
Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Quote from: tenpenny on January 21, 2013, 06:40:18 pm
Quote from: AP on January 21, 2013, 11:12:38 am
I am more interested in whether he has been forced to make restitution to the people he ripped off.

A few days in jail might just afford this jerk some training from the pros on how to boost cars in addition to posing as a private vendor. We could be worse off for this.

Who did he rip off?

Sent from my Vic20 using JavaMoose

Did you read the story?

Yes, sounds like any other used car dealer.

Sent from my Vic20 using JavaMoose

Except that used car dealers must abide by OMVIC rules and clearly state that they are reselling a vehicle, have a brick and mortar facility and are licensed.
Curbsiders generally don't even flip the ownership to their name, have nothing more than a unmarked phone and have no brick and mortar location. This just for starters.

Sounds like the same justifications that real estate agents use.

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tooscoops · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2013, 10:29:09 am »

true. real estate can be even worse... at least with the cars, these curbsiders have to have enough confidence in the car that they fork out their own money for it and purchase it first... its a gamble. they know that the safest way to get away with it is for the purchaser to never have any problems with the car so they attempt to make it right...

lets see a real estate agent do that for a crappy money pit! as it is now, they have nothing to lose by getting a listing and selling it. their fees are paying staff and advertising...

safristi · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2013, 10:47:33 am »

thinking back in my past...I'm sure(I know)I bought a CURBSIDE Mitsubishi Galant (aka Dodge GTX in Canada) many moons ago....i urgently needed a get me to work in a neighbouring town ride..(Wifey and I already had a new bought same car and it was V reliable).............paid next to nothing Circa $3k and got 7 years out of it..the overdrive gave out after a year but everything else lasted and then the rear end collapsed from rust...so I literally wired it up and drove 5kms to the Scrappy Yard...for $125..................YOUR SMILEAGE MAY DIFFER.....................how many REAL PRIVATE and DODGEY (or Gm'ey Or FORD'ey!!!

) Dealershits are out there...................