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Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« on: October 16, 2012, 08:56:48 am »


It is that time of year again.  Time for the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada's (AJAC) annual 'TestFest' to determine the Canadian Car of the Year.  
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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 09:47:16 am »
Having only driven 3 from the list (all in the SPORTS – PERFORMANCE under $50K category), here are my guesses:

CITY CAR
1.     Ford Focus EV

SMALL CAR UNDER $21K
4.     Mazda3 Skyactiv (Sedan)

SMALL CAR OVER $21k
3.     Hyundai Elantra GT

FAMILY CAR under $30K
3.     Honda Accord Sedan

FAMILY CAR OVER $30K
2.     Ford Fusion Hybrid

LUXURY CAR
2.     BMW 3-Series

SPORTS – PERFORMANCE under $50K
8.     Scion FR-S

SPORTS PERFORMANCE over $50K
4.     Porsche Boxster

PRESTIGE PERFORMANCE – over $75K
3.    Porsche 911 Carrera S

SUV – CUV under $35K
3.     Honda CR-V

SUV – CUV $35K – $60K
1.     Acura RDX
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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 10:45:52 am »
Good choices.  My bold prediction is that the FR-S or BRZ takes it all; car of the year.  We will see though.  Lots of great new vehicles out this year.

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 10:49:23 am »
Wait till you see how many journalists rather boring hybrids to sporty cars ;)

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2012, 10:52:32 am »
Wait till you see how many journalists rather boring hybrids to sporty cars ;)

How did the R8 win then?  Were the sporty crowd spiking the coffee's of the boring crowd? ;D

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2012, 11:15:06 am »
Why can the same car, but different trim levels, compete in different categoies.  Is is based soley on price?

Mazda 3 Skyactive sedan is in small car under $21k, and the Skyactive Sport is in small car over $21k
Malibu Eco is in Family car under $30k, Malibu is in Family car over $30k
Escape 1.6 and Santa Fe Sport in SUV under $35k, Escape 2.0 and Santa Fe Sport 2.0T in suv $35 - $60k

Just askin...

Sonic RS in Sports/Performance under $50k.... :rofl:
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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2012, 11:16:12 am »
Why can the same car, but different trim levels, compete in different categoies.  Is is based soley on price?

Mazda 3 Skyactive sedan is in small car under $21k, and the Skyactive Sport is in small car over $21k
Malibu Eco is in Family car under $30k, Malibu is in Family car over $30k
Escape 1.6 and Santa Fe Sport in SUV under $35k, Escape 2.0 and Santa Fe Sport 2.0T in suv $35 - $60k

Just askin...

Sonic RS in Sports/Performance under $50k.... :rofl:

Yup, it is all priced based and manufacturers 'submit' the vehicles per class they want. 

I find the Lancer in family sedans as equally out of place as the Sonic RS

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2012, 11:31:59 am »
What, no truck category?? How about a large SUV category?? Sure those electric cars are cute and all, but some of us need towing power, 4x4 capability and to fit lots of stuff into our vehicles??
Lighten up Francis.....

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2012, 11:32:48 am »
What, no truck category?? How about a large SUV category?? Sure those electric cars are cute and all, but some of us need towing power, 4x4 capability and to fit lots of stuff into our vehicles??

There needs to be new trucks and large SUVs ;)  The Ram is the only one in 2013

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2012, 11:36:51 am »
What, no truck category?? How about a large SUV category?? Sure those electric cars are cute and all, but some of us need towing power, 4x4 capability and to fit lots of stuff into our vehicles??

There needs to be new trucks and large SUVs ;)  The Ram is the only one in 2013

Oh.....ahem  :-[  never mind then  :)

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 11:48:22 am »
I look forward to this event everywhere.  Sometimes I forget why some vehicles are in a particular category, but maybe somebody can help me.

City Car - Shouldn't the Spark be here instead? It's one of those Micro cars designed for the city.

Small Car less than 21k - Not sure why the Rio LX is competing with some of the other cars in this class, using the LX trim, it doesn't even have A/C, but it costs $5000 less than the Mazda3?  I assume it's the only Rio you could get, but I would choose the Rio in the class.

Small Car more than 21k - I assume the Mazda3 Skyactiv Sport is with Auto, because it is only $21200 with auto, if you go manual it's less than $21k.  I would choose the Mazda, not just because I am biased, but like many I prefer the handling, steering, seats, cargo room, and fuel economy compared to the Elantra GT

Family Car less than 30k - Haven't test driven any of the new redesigned family sedans.  Never can I remember so many full redesigns in one year, the Accord, the Altima, the Fusion, where is the Camry in the lineup?  Surely, you couldn't leave it out America's best selling family sedan over the Lancer? I would still pick the Accord.

Family Car more than 30k - What is the Chevrolet Malibu doing here? Only the fully loaded LTZ model belongs here, if you have a fully loaded Accord, Fusion, or Altima it would be in this category as well?  Makes no sense.  Pricing for the 2013 Chevrolet Malibu Eco starts at $27,940 (1LT) and includes dual zone climate control as standard equipment. Pricing for the 2013 Malibu starts at $24,995 for the base LS, $26,325 for the 1LT (with manual climate control), $27,915 for the 2LT, $29,160 for the 2LT Eco and $32,540 for the 2.0L-equipped LTZ.

It doesn't make it sound fair to the consumers who rely on your extensive testing.  Best Family Car less than 30k - but not include the new Malibu or Camry.  Two cars that were newly designed this year, and a more worthy than the Lancer for the category!

Luxury Car - Thats a little vague, every other category gives you less than, or more than.  I would recommend less than 40k category, and more than 40k.  How can you compare a Buick Verano to the Lexus GS?  If I had to pick the Cadillac ATS.

Sport Cars under 50k  - The Subaru BRZ

Sports Cars more than 50k - I understand why these cars are here, the Black Edition of the Porsche for example is a special trim that adds performance and other things, same as the ZL1, etc.  If I had the money, the Porsche.

Prestige - No question, the M5, it's timeless.

CUV less than 35k - the Mazda CX-5, although most will choose the CR-V, but I think they are both great.

CUV more than 35k - I have a little more trouble here.  The GMC Terrain Denali is only a trim package, adding chrome rims, step bars, different seats, wood inserts, nothing redesigned, I thought it had to be all new to make it, or significantly refreshed.  I guess the Traverse is here because the 3.6L engine now has Direct Injection, and adds 6hp.  WOW! Big Refresh!  Also the Hyundai Sante Fe Sport and Ford Escape belong in the CUV less than 35k category.  As per the First Drive:
 Santa Fe 2.4L FWD: $26,499
 Santa Fe 2.4L Premium FWD: $28,299
 Santa Fe 2.4L Premium AWD: $30,299
 Santa Fe 2.4L Luxury AWD: $33,899
 Santa Fe 2.0T Premium FWD: $30,499
 Santa Fe 2.0T Premium AWD: $32,499
 Santa Fe 2.0T SE AWD: $35,299
 Santa Fe 2.0T Limited AWD: $38,499

6 of the available trims are less than 35k, with one over by $300!

 Escape S FWD: $21,499
 Escape SE FWD: $26,899
 Escape SE AWD: $29,099
 Escape SEL FWD: $31,599
 Escape SEL AWD: $33,799
 Escape Titanium AWD: $37,499

7 of the available trims are less than 35k.  Not really fair to compare a Hyundai/Ford against the Lexus RX350.  I would pick the RDX here.


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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 12:02:23 pm »
Camry was redesigned LAST year not this year.  It was entered last year in test fest I believe it lost to the Hyundai / Kia twins.

All cars are automatic, unless they are in the performance / prestige or sports car categories in which case exceptions are made.  Not all journalists can drive manual... sad I know.

Your pricing is correct the manufacturers decide who they want to compete against.  They do so by offering fully loaded models in a category they think they could win or stripper models in the same.  It's a game they play.

So Kia enters a stripper Rio, nobody notices it doesn't have A/C so it gets similar marks to the competitor that does.  Then when the results are tabulated the price factor puts it ahead by a point and they win!
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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 12:12:04 pm »
Camry was redesigned LAST year not this year.  It was entered last year in test fest I believe it lost to the Hyundai / Kia twins.

All cars are automatic, unless they are in the performance / prestige or sports car categories in which case exceptions are made.  Not all journalists can drive manual... sad I know.

Your pricing is correct the manufacturers decide who they want to compete against.  They do so by offering fully loaded models in a category they think they could win or stripper models in the same.  It's a game they play.

So Kia enters a stripper Rio, nobody notices it doesn't have A/C so it gets similar marks to the competitor that does.  Then when the results are tabulated the price factor puts it ahead by a point and they win!

What?!?!?!?! Isnt that one of those must have things?!?!

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 01:04:01 pm »
Camry was redesigned LAST year not this year.  It was entered last year in test fest I believe it lost to the Hyundai / Kia twins.

All cars are automatic, unless they are in the performance / prestige or sports car categories in which case exceptions are made.  Not all journalists can drive manual... sad I know.

Your pricing is correct the manufacturers decide who they want to compete against.  They do so by offering fully loaded models in a category they think they could win or stripper models in the same.  It's a game they play.

So Kia enters a stripper Rio, nobody notices it doesn't have A/C so it gets similar marks to the competitor that does.  Then when the results are tabulated the price factor puts it ahead by a point and they win!

What?!?!?!?! Isnt that one of those must have things?!?!

 :fall: that explains many things

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 01:09:11 pm »
There is no "must have" thing to be an auto journalist.  Maybe a license?  LOL

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2012, 01:16:13 pm »
There is no "must have" thing to be an auto journalist.  Maybe a license?  LOL

maybe......

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2012, 01:23:33 pm »
There is no "must have" thing to be an auto journalist.  Maybe a license?  LOL

maybe......

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2012, 02:18:30 pm »
You know journalists don't actually drive the car right?  The story is written when the press release is issued ;)





note that may or may not be true in some or all cases.

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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2012, 02:21:00 pm »


Welcome to AJAC Test Fest where the rules are made up and the points don't matter!
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Re: Ready, Set, Evaluate! AJAC's 2012 TestFest Set for Next Week
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2012, 02:34:36 pm »
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Your pricing is correct the manufacturers decide who they want to compete against.  They do so by offering fully loaded models in a category they think they could win or stripper models in the same.  It's a game they play.

So Kia enters a stripper Rio, nobody notices it doesn't have A/C so it gets similar marks to the competitor that does.  Then when the results are tabulated the price factor puts it ahead by a point and they win!

Can't really blame the manufacturers for playing that game if the testers can't be relied upon to pay attention.
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