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Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« on: January 17, 2013, 06:25:48 am »


Chris Chase asserts that 'Ford builds a good pickup, and this latest F-150 is no exception' but recommends caution when shopping for 4x4 models and the new Ecoboost V6 engine.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 08:49:17 am »
Interesting take on the 3.5 Ecoboost. IMO the way to go is lease the Ecoboost and buy the 5.0 Liter.  The 2014 Ecoboost looks to be "updated" from the beta version in the hands of customers now.  ;D

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 12:32:24 pm »
Interesting take on the 3.5 Ecoboost. IMO the way to go is lease the Ecoboost and buy the 5.0 Liter.  The 2014 Ecoboost looks to be "updated" from the beta version in the hands of customers now.  ;D

Confirms the wisdom of avoid bleeding edge technology for the first couple of model years. The things that can go wrong boggle the mind. Let adventurous early adopters with deep pockets take the giant financial hit if they fail, not you.
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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 03:53:04 pm »
The Ecoboost indeed has a subtle shudder under light load between 100 to 100 km/hr that comes and goes depending upon the humidity. The fix is a new charge air cooler but the part is on backorder. 

Since there are also reports of a 5.0 shudder, I wouldn't jump  too quickly to the conclusion that the 5.0 somehow holds a reliability advantage.  Besides, the 5.0 is just as new.

If both have a shudder, I would suspect the charge air cooler is not the cause of the shudder. Possibly powertrain related - the 6 speed tranny seems to give the owners fits as well. The 5.0 is a Mustang engine, updated for truck duty with cast iron exhaust manifolds and cams suited for lower torque. Hardly comparable with the 3.5 ecoboost when looking at long term reliability. I just think Ford tried to do too much with this engine. Should be fun to watch the forums when they go out of warranty.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 03:57:57 pm »
I thought the Ecoboost was going to be the new leading engine in the light truck category. While it has great power and torque, the fuel mileage isnt the greatest and Ive read a bunch of complaints about reliability. The 5L would be my pick if I was going to keep the truck for a long time, the Ecoboost, while a fun time to drive, I think in the long run will be a maintenance headache. I wont be buying a 1/2 ton truck anyways, for my future needs, gonna need a diesel 3/4 or 1 ton.
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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 04:12:38 pm »
I wanted the 5.0 over the Ecoboost but bought late in the year, so I had to choose out of existing inventory.

There have been some early model hiccups with the Ecoboost but I am still glad I have it.  You really have to drive the various options before commenting - not something for which a spec sheet is sufficient.

Before the thread starts trending toward a "Ecoboost is a bust" theme consider the market response.  The Ecoboost was initially a $500 option.  I think it is now $1,300.  Actual demand has exceeded expectations, and for good reason.

Im not saying its a bust, the f150 Ecoboost is great truck, Ive driven the 5L and the Ecoboost....I like the Ecoboost better. Im just saying in the long run, you cant go wrong with a N/A V8.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 04:25:16 pm »
Im not saying its a bust, the f150 Ecoboost is great truck, Ive driven the 5L and the Ecoboost....I like the Ecoboost better. Im just saying in the long run, you cant go wrong with a N/A V8.

Agreed.  Plus, the 5.0 goes vroom.  I had a Flowmaster exhaust on my 2010 5.4, which is now just collecting dust in the basement.  No point even trying to get a traditional truck sound out of the Ecoboost.  I have actually grown to like the quiet highway operation though...

A V8 through some Flowmater 50 series mufflers and some headers......MMMMMMMMMMMM. The Ecoboost could make all kinds of cool turbo noises, but youd have to get an intake, exhaust and a BOV that exhausts to atmosphere.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2013, 04:26:28 pm »
Turbo=reliability nightmare. Not a good idea for a used vehicle. Replacing said turbos would cause one to take out a mortgage on their home. Besides, real world fuel consumption isn't any better with them anyway. The are all about passing the EPA test.
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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2013, 04:28:14 pm »
Turbo=reliability nightmare. Not a good idea for a used vehicle. Replacing said turbos would cause one to take out a mortgage on their home. Besides, real world fuel consumption isn't any better with them anyway. The are all about passing the EPA test.

Meh, if they do ever go, just go aftermarket. You can get better flowing turbos for cheaper than an OEM replacement.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2013, 04:37:20 pm »
Turbo=reliability nightmare. Not a good idea for a used vehicle. Replacing said turbos would cause one to take out a mortgage on their home. Besides, real world fuel consumption isn't any better with them anyway. The are all about passing the EPA test.

Meh, if they do ever go, just go aftermarket. You can get better flowing turbos for cheaper than an OEM replacement.

Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2013, 04:38:14 pm »
Turbo=reliability nightmare. Not a good idea for a used vehicle. Replacing said turbos would cause one to take out a mortgage on their home. Besides, real world fuel consumption isn't any better with them anyway. The are all about passing the EPA test.

Meh, if they do ever go, just go aftermarket. You can get better flowing turbos for cheaper than an OEM replacement.

Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

Yeah, but the Ecoboost is more fun to drive......have you driven either???

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2013, 04:44:29 pm »
Turbo=reliability nightmare. Not a good idea for a used vehicle. Replacing said turbos would cause one to take out a mortgage on their home. Besides, real world fuel consumption isn't any better with them anyway. The are all about passing the EPA test.

Meh, if they do ever go, just go aftermarket. You can get better flowing turbos for cheaper than an OEM replacement.

Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

Yeah, but the Ecoboost is more fun to drive......have you driven either???

In fact I have but as a businessman, I tend to think in an ROI kind of way, as well as fleet management.

Both motors have more than enough power to do what the owners of the truck would want from them. However, my personal experience is if one wants to keep a vehicle for a long time, or operate in in a harsh environment, less complication is usually a better thing than more.

It really is a moot point because most Ecoboost buyers will never keep the vehicle long enough for the turbos to give any trouble. In four or five years it will be traded off, just when any potential problem might crop up.

We bought an F150 in the fall of last year and yes, it is a 3.7 litre. It performs quite well and so far has had no issues. I like Ford trucks; we have several of them.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2013, 05:01:02 pm »
It really is a moot point because most Ecoboost buyers will never keep the vehicle long enough for the turbos to give any trouble. In four or five years it will be traded off, just when any potential problem might crop up.

That can't be true unless those who buy used do not qualify as buyers... ???

You make a point - more parts means a greater possibility of premature parts failure.   But given what I derive from driving the vehicle in the meantime and given the very likely possibility that I will never have a turbo repair, I am just not that fussed about it.

I could lower my (potential) repair bills by gutting the truck of a/c, etc, but that is not going to happen.

I have a rule for myself: don't buy used turbo gas engines. But that is a rule for me and my business. Anyone else who wants to, is welcome. I am sure it would be  a great stimulus to the economy every time a turbo fails. I know it has been every time it has happened to me!

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2013, 06:46:04 pm »
That's not a bad rule.  Non-commercial turbo diesels tend to be owned by economy conscious drivers, and turbo gas models by lead foots.

That might change a bit as Ford expands the Eco-Tec line of engines, but turbos are definitely a weak spot in terms of longevity.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2013, 08:23:04 am »
Before the thread starts trending toward a "Ecoboost is a bust" theme consider the market response.  The Ecoboost was initially a $500 option.  I think it is now $1,300.  Actual demand has exceeded expectations, and for good reason.

Perhaps Ford is charging more to cover warranty claims - current and future on this engine? Once engines are past 100,000 kms and 5 years, Ford will be walking away, bet on it.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2013, 08:41:42 am »
Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

But you can't get the 5.0L as a straight swap on all the trims. And if you wanted highest payload and/or towing you are left with the EcoBoost. The bigger 8 is an option but its more expensive and worse fuel economy. The way Ford packages things most that need the payload/towing are forced into the EcoBoost.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2013, 12:16:48 pm »
Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

But you can't get the 5.0L as a straight swap on all the trims. And if you wanted highest payload and/or towing you are left with the EcoBoost. The bigger 8 is an option but its more expensive and worse fuel economy. The way Ford packages things most that need the payload/towing are forced into the EcoBoost.

"Demand" means nothing in Ecoboost allocation: it is all about CAFE numbers. They know exactly what mix of powerplants they need to achieve their target and schedule their production accordingly.

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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2013, 12:27:20 pm »
Once engines are past 100,000 kms and 5 years, Ford will be walking away, bet on it.

Kind of like saying "once the warranty ends the vehicle is no longer warranted"...



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Re: Used Vehicle Review: Ford F-150, 2009'2013
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2013, 12:40:47 pm »
Or you can go with the V-8 and never have to worry about any of it.

But you can't get the 5.0L as a straight swap on all the trims. And if you wanted highest payload and/or towing you are left with the EcoBoost. The bigger 8 is an option but its more expensive and worse fuel economy. The way Ford packages things most that need the payload/towing are forced into the EcoBoost.

"Demand" means nothing in Ecoboost allocation: it is all about CAFE numbers. They know exactly what mix of powerplants they need to achieve their target and schedule their production accordingly.

That may be but my point was the a V8 is not really an option if payload and towing were tops on my list, so its not just as easy as go with a V8 and never worry about it.