Topic: Northern Exposure: Santa Fe vs Snowstorm

[dirtyjeffer]

i took a Sportage Turbo for a drive...i thought it was pretty decent.

[Ex-airbalancer]

This and Kia Sportage would be the only, and I hate using this term, CUV...shudder, that I would consider. I like the way the look and that 270+ horsepower mill is really tempting. I wonder what they will be like out of warranty......

Have you sat in one ?
I did , I would not even take one for a test drive 

I have no been in a Sportsge, only the Santa Fe

No I havent, but I think the Kia is a great looking car.

What didnt you like, dashboard, seats, exterior looks?

Drivers area, too small, and the seat were not comfortable
Did not care for the dash

[Fobroader]

This and Kia Sportage would be the only, and I hate using this term, CUV...shudder, that I would consider. I like the way the look and that 270+ horsepower mill is really tempting. I wonder what they will be like out of warranty......

Have you sat in one ?
I did , I would not even take one for a test drive 

I have no been in a Sportsge, only the Santa Fe

No I havent, but I think the Kia is a great looking car.

What didnt you like, dashboard, seats, exterior looks?

Drivers area, too small, and the seat were not comfortable
Did not care for the dash

Oh ok, cool. I like the looks of the Sportage over the Santa Fe, maybe they would be different enough. Thats true for most of the Hyundai/Kia lineup, I prefer the Kias.

[Ex-airbalancer]

This and Kia Sportage would be the only, and I hate using this term, CUV...shudder, that I would consider. I like the way the look and that 270+ horsepower mill is really tempting. I wonder what they will be like out of warranty......

Have you sat in one ?
I did , I would not even take one for a test drive 

I have no been in a Sportsge, only the Santa Fe

No I havent, but I think the Kia is a great looking car.

What didnt you like, dashboard, seats, exterior looks?

Drivers area, too small, and the seat were not comfortable
Did not care for the dash

Oh ok, cool. I like the looks of the Sportage over the Santa Fe, maybe they would be different enough. Thats true for most of the Hyundai/Kia lineup, I prefer the Kias.

I like the size of a Tahoe 

[Fobroader]

This and Kia Sportage would be the only, and I hate using this term, CUV...shudder, that I would consider. I like the way the look and that 270+ horsepower mill is really tempting. I wonder what they will be like out of warranty......

Have you sat in one ?
I did , I would not even take one for a test drive 

I have no been in a Sportsge, only the Santa Fe

No I havent, but I think the Kia is a great looking car.

What didnt you like, dashboard, seats, exterior looks?

Drivers area, too small, and the seat were not comfortable
Did not care for the dash

Oh ok, cool. I like the looks of the Sportage over the Santa Fe, maybe they would be different enough. Thats true for most of the Hyundai/Kia lineup, I prefer the Kias.

I like the size of a Tahoe 

 

[canuckystan]

Why?  I've posted links here before to the latest study that concludes there is no evidence that snow tires prevent more accidents than all-seasons in the winter.
 
Yes they "handle" better in the snow, but looking at the numbers, that doesn't translate into fewer accidents. 

"Tires: Write this down: all-wheel drive, ABS brakes and electronic stability control DO NOT make traction. The only way to increase the physical grip between a vehicle and a slippery road is at the point of contact: the tires. Electronic aids or not, riding all-season tires in conditions like these would result in a level of directional stability similar to a hummingbird on bath salts."

If only the entirety of Canadian drivers knew that...*sigh*  I don't love the idea of punishing the poor by requiring snow tires (cough, Quebec), but cars are huge money sinks...and if you're going to have one, do it right - get proper winter/snow tires.

As for the hummingbird on bath salts line - I don't know where you come up with these things, Justin, but bravo - always good for my morning laugh!

[dkaz]

Why?  I've posted links here before to the latest study that concludes there is no evidence that snow tires prevent more accidents than all-seasons in the winter.
 
Yes they "handle" better in the snow, but looking at the numbers, that doesn't translate into fewer accidents. 

I dare you to come to a complete stop at a red light at the bottom of a snow or ice covered steep hill on all seasons.

[Northernridge]

Why?  I've posted links here before to the latest study that concludes there is no evidence that snow tires prevent more accidents than all-seasons in the winter.
 
Yes they "handle" better in the snow, but looking at the numbers, that doesn't translate into fewer accidents. 

I dare you to come to a complete stop at a red light at the bottom of a snow or ice covered steep hill on all seasons.

You mean without rear-ending the car already stopped at the light?

[dkaz]

Why?  I've posted links here before to the latest study that concludes there is no evidence that snow tires prevent more accidents than all-seasons in the winter.
 
Yes they "handle" better in the snow, but looking at the numbers, that doesn't translate into fewer accidents. 

I dare you to come to a complete stop at a red light at the bottom of a snow or ice covered steep hill on all seasons.

You mean without rear-ending the car already stopped at the light?

Or without sliding into cross traffic, either way.

[BradT]

Granted this is unscientific research, but none of the vehicles involved in accidents or spin outs that on the 401 December 14 had winter tires that I could see.  I was going slow enough that I could see since everyone gawks at accidents. 

[Patrick_D1]

Putting aside all statistics, winter tires come down to a brain-dead simple question:

"Do I want to have significantly improved traction and reduced stopping distances during the winter months?"

If the answer to the question above is yes (which it should be), then all further discussion is irrelevant.

[Jaeger]

Putting aside all statistics, winter tires come down to a brain-dead simple question:

"Do I want to have significantly improved traction and reduced stopping distances during the winter months?"

If the answer to the question above is yes (which it should be), then all further discussion is irrelevant.

Amen.

[JacobBlack]

I think that if you don't have winters on, and you rear-end someone who does, there should be an additional fine for not having the right vehicle set-up for the conditions - vehicle set up is as important as driver ability in crappy weather I think.
(Full disclosure: "Winter" is a new concept to me, so you need to take my opinions on the subject with a grain of salt - actually, scratch that, we need the salt for the roads).

[Snowman]

Putting aside all statistics, winter tires come down to a brain-dead simple question:

"Do I want to have significantly improved traction and reduced stopping distances during the winter months?"

If the answer to the question above is yes (which it should be), then all further discussion is irrelevant.

Agreed, why is logic and common sense difficult for some?

[Black Hatch]

There is no disagreement that winter tires help you stop in shorter distances...

BUT...
Do winter tires give you confidence to travel "faster" than the local condition and relatively faster than the "other" cars around you?

For instance the freeway normally 80kph speed limit.
Winter tires and someone is driving at 80kph but "other" people "without winters" are driving at 50kph.

Who is the larger risk? Both are going at a reasonable speed to their conditions yet if they cross paths/merge there is an accident waiting to happen.

Are you going to tell me mandatory winter tire use in Quebec has reduced collision to zero?

[Northernridge]

I'd support winter tire legislation in Manitoba.   

[dkaz]

BUT...
Do winter tires give you confidence to travel "faster" than the local condition and relatively faster than the "other" cars around you?

For instance the freeway normally 80kph speed limit.
Winter tires and someone is driving at 80kph but "other" people "without winters" are driving at 50kph.

November 2012 I drove to Edmonton after a nasty dump of snow and a build up of ice on the Yellowhead, I followed a caravan of cars in the right lane that did about 70km/h. I had zero desire to end up in the ditch like the dozens of cars, pickups, and semis who met their fate. It wasn't for lack of traction but rather the terrible ice ruts that steered my car around. It felt like I was piloting a plane through turbulence.

Otherwise, I know what the limits of my tires are and I'll drive at a speed my car is safely capable of traveling at for those conditions.

[Fobroader]

I'd support winter tire legislation in Manitoba.   

Put me down for Alberta.

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[Black Hatch]

I'd support winter tire legislation in Manitoba.   

Put me down for Alberta.

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Would you support regular cars with low ground clearance to remain off of unplowed roads during a snowstorm due to the likehood of getting stuck?

[Fobroader]

I'd support winter tire legislation in Manitoba.   

Put me down for Alberta.

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Would you support regular cars with low ground clearance to remain off of unplowed roads during a snowstorm due to the likehood of getting stuck?

That would be great, but too many people would moan and whine about it.

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